#Cleopatra
@marcibadwolf303 @blamellors
I recall brouhaha. Not much, but some, circa 65? 66? 😜 But from German media! (my mom would pick up Der Stern and Der Spiegel from the import shop) Egypt was a very different place 60 years ago. Nasser was head honcho, and very much trying to bring Egypt "back from the dead."
Anyway, I'm watching #Cleopatra, and am digging on the spectacle. It holds up well, and is still glorious cheese.
They don't make spectacles like this anymore.
#Cleopatra #ElizabethTaylor
"The shame is that #Cleopatra gets so much attention as THE ancient queen, (...) Let me introduce you to (...) #Amanirenas of Meroë, who unlike Cleopatra held off Octavian and kept her kingdom."
https://acoup.blog/2023/05/26/collections-on-the-reign-of-cleopatra/
@ScarletLotus "white actors portraying the Greeks" Greeks are white :) .
The worrying thing about the Netflix queens up till now (Nzinga and Cleo) is rather that, historically, both were authoritarian, colonialist/expansionist enslavers. Why were they the first 2 coming to mind for a series on queens ?
#Cleopatra #CleopatraNetflix
#Romanticization
#Egyptomania
@MartinM Maybe it is better to skip youtube's (lack of) quality alltogether, and read a text.
Read
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-trouble-with-netflixs-queen-cleopatra/
about marketing and confrontational casting.
Or
https://theconversation.com/queen-cleopatra-experts-save-this-poorly-scripted-netflix-docuseries-204576
which confirms the drama is cringe. Their assertion "We have no securely identified portraits of her other than those found on her coins" is disingenious, but they admit that "the narrative takes a turn to the speculative".
#cleopatra #netflix #marketing #cringe #jada #black #radicalRight
¿Era Cleopatra negra?
Una reciente serie-documental de una conocida plataforma de streaming que pierde subscripciones como aceite en un cárter rajado asegura que Cleopatra VII es negra. La plataforma se empeña en seguir con su política woke tan estridente en series como “La reina Charlotte”, pero esta vez intenta mediante argumentos “¿científicos?”, imponer que Cleopatra era negra.
https://www.ivoox.com/108234228
#cleopatra #serie #documental #woke #podcast #con nombre de podcast
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A lo largo del día pasan por nuestros ojos un gran número de iconos, de logotipos de empresas o de páginas webs o de podcast. Muchos, no todos tienen algo en común: La simetría.
https://luisbermejo.com/simetria-de-satan-con-nombre-de-podcast-04x39/
#arqueología #civilizaciones #cleopatra #curiosidades #diablo #documental #historia #iconos #leyendas #mediterráneo #mesopotamia #minotauro #mitología #representación #satán #serie #simetría #vodó #vudú #woke #podcast #con nombre de podcast
After filmmaker Curtis #Woodside and #Egyptologist Sofia #Aziz were tapped to work on #Netflix’s #QueenCleopatra "documentary," they set out to create their own documentary about #Cleopatra. Without reanactment, but with
contributions from trusted Egyptologists and historians.
https://youtu.be/zdGThahx5sE
As far as I can tell it is based on historical evidence instead of unproven speculation and wishfull thinking, allbeit with a bit of Egyptian patriotism.
Spoiler: Cleopatra was not Black!
The Black Pharaohs of Ancient Egypt
https://greekreporter.com/2023/05/25/the-black-pharaohs-of-ancient-egypt/
Just watched the first 5 min of this #netflix series, that is pretending to be a documentary... This pretenting accurate depiction of #Cleopatra is horseshit!
#goWokeGoBroke!
Netflix’s Queen #Cleopatra Is A DISASTER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJkVwEqXfXA
CLEOPATRA - A TRUE DOCUMENTARY
Discover the true #Cleopatra: 90min documentary with contributions from trusted Egyptologists and historians who themselves hailed from Egypt.
While #Netflix use revisionism. Here Scientist depict documented and real facts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdGThahx5sE
YouTuber #RebalD has some important points about the #Netflix "documentary" #QueenCleopatra I can agree with: https://youtu.be/jwv_cIm2RRY
Two of his points were not clear to me until now:
1. Since #Cleopatra belonged to a dynasty of #Macedonian-#Greek origin, she was not only not Black, but also a quasi-#colonial ruler.
2. Because Egyptian history is reinterpreted by outsiders in a way that denies contemporary Egyptians part of their identity, it is #CulturalAppropriation.
#Racism #PseudoHistory
Archaeologists searching for the tomb of Cleopatra, the last queen of ancient Egypt, have uncovered a remarkable tunnel in a temple complex. The tunnel, which is 2.4 meters wide and 120 meters long, has a perfect square cross-section and a smooth floor. This shows that the ancient Egyptians had advanced engineering and mathematical skills.
I hope everyone upset about #cleopatra #netflix who hasn’t seen #HBO’s excellent miniseries #Rome watches it asap. It never claims to be anything but a drama & even though it portrays actual people in a fictional way it gets closer to historical accuracy ( especially Cleopatra ) than #netflix ridiculous insulting #culturalappropriation POS. #Ptolemy #hellenism #egypt #africa #alexander #GreekQueens
Egyptian jurists, archaeologists demand that Netflix should be prosecuted, pay financial compensation of $ 2 billion for distorting Queen Cleopatra’s image https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/124415/Egyptian-jurists-archaeologists-demand-that-Netflix-should-be-prosecuted-pay #Cleopatra #Netflix
@blamellors What social media sites did people use in the 1960’s for their hysteria? Taylor’s #Cleopatra was a huge flop & lost lots of money. Looks like people voted by staying away. #netflix
#cleopatranetflix I don’t have a problem w/ #cleopatra portrayed by a biracial British actress. British ppl always play her! Ask yourself why didnt Hollywood hire Greek #MelinaMercouri instead of Liz Taylor?
No, I care more that a Hollywood actress didn’t bother to study her subject just like all the white ppl b4 her. Even little things are factually wrong. It’s a mess! #greekheritage. #jadasmith . #culturalappropriation #netflix #insulting #history
@nytimes : #Cleopatra Was 'Culturally #Black'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoP8K7ddCrs
@KorraSaqqara what’s really important here is that if there’s no manufactured “controversy” when she’s played by a White actress wearing a bronzer, there shouldn’t be any issue with a Black actress in the same role. The default is not White, be it #Jesus or #cleopatra.
The submerged temple of Cleopatra in Alexandria, Egypt
#history #Cleopatra #temple #mastophoto
@oatmeal You shouldn’t assume Ancient Greek statues were white. Or Roman ones for that matter. The paint wore off. I’m not an expert but I have studied the issue at hand. There are several books & documentaries in which #cleopatra is described by Roman historians. Hellenistic Greeks weren’t racist in the modern sense, they thought their culture made them superior to everyone. I can recommend books if you’d like.
@oatmeal I see by your post you haven’t seen it yet. I’m watching the show now & Im not sure my silly comparison was too far off. Actually, we do know Cleopatra was Greek, we know from coins & depictions of her made in life what she looked like as much as Caesar. The artistic quality of this #Cleopatra is bad, historically, it’s hit or miss,poorly written & cheaply produced. In a better production, her depicted race wouldn’t matter. She didn’t look like Liz Taylor either.
@histodons @EgyptianAphorist @oatmeal Whitewashing has been going on so long perhaps Jada Smith decided to just Black wash #cleopatra in a tit for tat sort of like casting Ryan Gosling as Frederick Douglas. I’m watching it now. BRB
A friend and scenic #artist who studied / visited Egyptian ruins and is a big fan of #Roman #history wrote this #review of #cleopatra on #Netflix 👀
#Egypt #documentary #film #movies #histodons @histodons #history #culture #TV #JoinIn
Sehr gut und plausibel erzähl.
Es ist und bleibt eine faszinierende Persönlichkeit.
Adele James Ist eine großartige Besetzung für die Rolle der Cleopatra.
Wenn Ich eine Kritik habe dann sind es die römischen männlichen Schauspieler die eher nach britischen Drogen konsumierenden Bänkern aussehen.
#Netflix
#serie
#cleopatra
Hast du schon „Queen Cleopatra“ auf Netflix gesehen?
https://www.netflix.com/de/title/81230204?s=a&trkid=13747225&t=more&vlang=de&clip=81636983
Er is dus blijkbaar een Netflix "documentaire" over Cleopatra en ze wordt gespeeld door een zwarte actrice en Egyptenaren zijn er behoorlijk van streek over.. Er is zelfs een petitie opgestart om te voorkomen dat "Netflix en Jada Pinkett Smith de Egyptische geschiedenis vervalsen".
Het is hartverscheurend hoe racistisch de Arabische wereld is en het is vervelend dat niemand het benoemd of behandeld alsof het iets slechts is.
#Cleopatra #Arabs #Racisme
Egyptians complain over Netflix depiction of Cleopatra as black
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-65322821
#AdeleJames #Cleopatra
A new Netflix series, Queen Cleopatra, has caused controversy over the portrayal of the Greek queen by a black actress. Her role in history and portrayal in media is explored.
Netflix's 'Cleopatra' criticized in Egypt over skin color
Warming up for the #Coronation tomorrow by watching #AQueenIsCrowned with #LawrenceOlivier doing the narration. My the parade passing through #AdmiraltyArch reminds me of the #ElzabethTaylor version of #Cleopatra where she arrives in #Rome - wioot the cheeky winking.
A Queen Is Crowned - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Queen_Is_Crowned
Daniel Soliman (conservator Egypte en Nubië, Rijksmuseum van Oudheden, Leiden): “Aangezien we nooit een nauwkeurig beeld zullen krijgen van het uiterlijk en de etniciteit van #Cleopatra, moet er ruimte zijn voor verschillende perspectieven.” (Met dank aan @pierre) https://historiek.net/hoe-de-huidskleur-van-de-oude-egyptenaren-telkens-van-tint-verandert/147780/
Historici houden zich al eeuwen bezig met de etniciteit van Cleopatra. Onlangs bracht Netflix een docudrama uit waarin de koningin zwart is, maar de historische bronnen vertellen een ander verhaal.
https://historianet.nl/beschavingen/egyptenaren/wat-was-de-etniciteit-van-cleopatra
Egypt and Netflix feud
In history's portrayal
Cleopatra: not Black
#cleopatra #netflix #history #egypt #haiku #poetry
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/queen-cleopatra-black-egypt-netflix-series-rcna81924
I hate to see this argument so lightly covered in modern terms. Egypt's history deserves more. From Egypt's defeat by the kingdom of Kush to the Greek Ptolemaic dynasty, Egypt's culture was rich and deeply diverse.
"#Cleopatra was light-skinned, #Egypt tells #Netflix in row over drama" #history
Cleopatra was light-skinned, Egypt tells Netflix in row over drama | Television | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/apr/28/cleopatra-was-light-skinned-egypt-tells-netflix-in-row-over-drama
“To ask whether someone was ‘Black’ or ‘white’ is anachronistic and says more about modern political investments than attempting to understand antiquity on its own terms,”
Certainly true. But she was undoubtedly Greek, not from sub-Saharan Africa.
Demandan a #netflix por poner a una actriz negra en un documental sobre #Cleopatra
Una cosa es que pongas al actor que quieras en una película para interpretar ficción de cualquier tipo y otra muy distinta es engañar al público, si quieres hacer un documental lo haces ciñiendote a la realidad, no manipulandola como te salga de los cojones
L'#Egitto e #ZahiHawass contro #AdeleJames e #Netflix, perché "#Cleopatra non può essere di #colore. Ma non poteva essere neppure la #GalGadot di #WonderWoman, per favore decidetevi
https://www.bufale.net/legitto-minaccia-azioni-legali-contro-cleopatra-di-colore-su-netflix/
Director of Netflix series starring a #Black #Cleopatra fires back at #Egyptian #backlash
If they used a Liz Taylor hologram I could see getting pissed, but that damn woman isn't white enough? Seriously? BTW, I have no problem with a not white person playing a white role but it's still creepy using a white actor to play a not white part because of
history and current wave of racist BS.
Cleopatra was Greek, it's a historical fact https://www.huffpost.com/entry/netflix-facing-lawsuit-over-depicting-queen-cleopatra-as-a-black-woman-in-new-documentary_n_6441958be4b0d840388751cf #history #cleopatra #truth #netflix #greek
Brain decided to remember the earworm whose cassette tape I wore out on the way to and back from school.
:mastodance: :mastodance: :mastodance:
Cleopatra "Comin' Atcha (Cleopatra's Theme)" 1998 DVD Quality - YouTube
Suddenly lots of people care about depictions of ancient Egypt
The trailers for the new Netflix documentary about Cleopatra have caused a lot of outrage. Who knew people were so passionate about ancient Egypt.
This is what Cleopatra looked like. This is one of the depictions of Cleopatra VII Philopator. You can find the other representations attributed to Cleopatra on her Wikipedia page. It's not that complicated. 🤷♀️
#Cleopatra #History #GrecoRomanCulture #AncientEgypt #AncientRome
This image demonstrates a profound lack of historical understanding of Ancient Egypt and the Ptolemaic period.
Even Hypatia would have face-palmed.
#history #ancientegypt #ptolemaic #histodons #cleopatra #netflix #neoplatonism
Si è ormai oltre il ridicolo. Se un documentario può rappresentare #Cleopatra nera, perché non ne facciamo uno su Martin Luther King interpretato da Daniel Craig?
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"The other Cleopatra
Daughter of #Cleopatra and #MarkAntony, she became the influential #queen of a mysterious, abundant North #African kingdom
https://aeon.co/essays/there-was-another-more-successful-queen-cleopatra
An obsession beyond reason. A passion that transcends the grave...
Quintillus will stop at nothing to possess his long-dead queen
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Cleopatra’s daughter given new voice as modern icon for feminists and women of colour - The Sunday Post
#Egypt #Cleopatra #CleopatraSelene
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/cleopatras-daughter-too-good-to-be-forgotten/?utm_source=mastodon&utm_medium=social&s=09
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I am also working on the script for a graphic novel series about #Cleopatra.
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