#Corbyn
Jeremy Corbyn open letter: fighting anti-semitism and Islamophobia | Morning Star
Sound words from the PM we could have had.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/jeremy-corbyn-open-letter-fighting-antisemitism-and-islamophobia
#antisemitism #islamophobia #Gaza #Corbyn
Wreathgate recalled in light of the war on Gaza | Morning Star
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/wreathgate-and-two-state-solution
#Corbyn
#Starmer
#Palestinians
#PLO
#PalestineLiberationOrganisation
#Labour
#RitualDenunciation
#CeremonialDenunciation
#PalestinianAuthority
#PA
#Gaza
#Blinken
#Abbas
#Hamas
#Lammy
#IsraeliGov
#Terrorists
#MunichMassacre
#BlackSeptemberGroup
#IsraelGovCoverUps
#Netanyahu
#2StateSolution
#Wreathgate
UK : l’incapacité du Parti travailliste à appeler à un cessez-le-feu à Gaza est inscrit dans son histoire
https://www.chroniquepalestine.com/uk-incapacite-parti-travailliste-appeler-cessez-le-feu-a-gaza-inscrit-dans-son-histoire/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=uk-incapacite-parti-travailliste-appeler-cessez-le-feu-a-gaza-inscrit-dans-son-histoire
La position du Parti travailliste (Labour) sur la Palestine a toujours été et reste moralement corrompue. Une grande partie de la position de l’establishment politique britannique sur la Palestine, y compris celle du Labour, est
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#Politique #NousRecommandons #Slider #Balfour #Corbyn #CrimesDeGuerre #GazaBlocus #Génocide #GrandeBretagne #TerrorismeIsraélien
If you want to know why Keir Starmer's #Labour won't support a Gaza ceasefire, think politics.
Look back at what happened with #Corbyn over antisemitism, then realise why he won't go anywhere near criticising Israel, because it will be weaponised as antisemitism at the next general election.
This is the world of UK politics.
@rmblaber1956 Well, I think #Hamas are cunts, but would I say that to #PiersMoron? No. Because in that context, it's just circle jerk name calling, something Hamas does all the time.
The problem is, #Corbyn is crap at PR, but the other problem is that snarl words serve no purpose other than to preach to the choir.
Remember, there are a lot of very brave #Ukranian partisans operating behind enemy lines right now. Can you guess what the #Russians are calling them?
You cannot say that #Corbyn 's mask is off because he never had a mask. He was and is a proud terrorist supporter and #Antisemite #Israel
‘His days as a Labour MP are over’: Starmer condemns Corbyn’s Hamas stance | Jeremy Corbyn | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/17/jeremy-corbyn-will-never-be-labour-mp-again-keir-starmer
If you don't conform to the required policies, you're out. #Corbyn is not #RightWing enough.
I saw a bit of that Piers Morgan interview with #Corbyn and Corbyn really stood out for his poor arguing skills
He literally had a major bellend sitting right in front of him, but was unable to hit home the point that Morgan is a major bellend
Corbyn doesn't have any bite, or any rapier wit. The problem with the bellends in the #media who ask him questions is that they frame the argument in a simplistic, pro-western way then ask for a yes or no answer
Fuck them!
I wish Corbyn was better
@TheShuck I think you're diametrically mistaken. #Corbyn was popular. He very nearly won in 2017, despite #Labour HQ campaigning against him; if #Sturgeon had not made such a mess of the campaigin in Scotland the result would have been a Labour/SNP coalition.
Secondly, #Ceasefire is overwhelmingly popular with UK voters. Starmer is more likely to have lost the next election last night than to have won it.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/travel/survey-results/daily/2023/10/19/e363e/1
As time goes on #corbyn is time and time again shown to have been on the right side things. Whereas Starmer, who was one of the architects of the push to bring Corbyn down, is proving to be consistently on the wrong side.
It took the entire media establishment and much of his own party to stop Corbyn being PM. Starmer on the other hand is doing the job all on his own.
this one is for the small demographic of people who know #britain fair enough to know #rickgervais and #piersmorgan but not so well as not to sometimes confuse prominent people.
Der ehemalige Chef der britischen #Labour-Partei Jeremy #Corbyn ist von einer Veranstaltung in der Berliner Volksbühne ausgeladen worden. Der Grund: seine Sicht auf den #Nahost-Konflikt. Eine Kritik von Ines Schwerdtner https://www.nd-aktuell.de/artikel/1177656.europa-den-raeten-jeremy-corbyn-in-der-volksbuehne-kein-linker-diskurs-erwuenscht.html
Sir Keir's Gaza crisis deepens after Hussain quits Labour front bench | Morning Star
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/sir-keir-gaza-crisis-deepens-after-hussain-quits-labour-front-bench
#Starmer
#Hussain
#Gaza
#Labour
#Israel
#Corbyn
#CeaseFire
#Muslims
#Sultana
#Begum
#Burgon
#KingsSpeech
#Mitchell
Ein halbes Jahr vor den #EU-Wahlen will sich die Rosa-Luxemburg-Stiftung über die brennenden Fragen der Gegenwart beraten – mit hochkarätigen Gästen und den Teilnehmern der dreitägigen Konferenz »Europa den Räten« – aber ohne Jeremy #Corbyn. https://www.nd-aktuell.de/artikel/1177558.eu-wahlen-alle-macht-den-raeten.html
Jeremy #Corbyn writes to PM to express 'growing distress' over UK position on #Gaza https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/corbyn-writes-to-pm-to-express-growing-distress-over-uk-position-on-gaza-362252/
@Ea7krc Completely. It's a fabulous achievement the way the current Tory party masquerading as #Labour has persuaded the world that #Corbyn was some lefty purist who did not tolerate other voices in the party.
The 100% opposite is true.
And #keirstarmer is a totalitarian Tory as well.
Do we lower to their standards to win? I just don't know the answer - tho pretty sure it starts by getting rid of the Daily Mail, the Murdoch press and reforming the BBC to be an investigative news outlet.
@blepharon Oh - absolutely. The article posted at me there as evidence of #Corbyn being a Putin apologist showed he was anything but.
The reality is that there is a massive western war machine that needs to be kept fed. There is now a massive Russian war machine with a similar appetite.
We have to choose whether we want to speak on the side of the war machines - and attack principled, decent people like Corbyn - or against them, noting that this is at odds with public ignorance.
@maelduin13 Every politician highlights the points which are important to them and ignore others.
The difference is that #Corbyn has a lifetime of anti-violence activism. So to accuse him of being associated with Russian genocide is just more propaganda.
Around us we have true mainstream genocide support and you pick Corbyn - a lifetime pacifist? You couldn't make it up.
You pick which genocides you care about right?
Corbyn was right about Ukraine - we have (much) blood on our hands.
@maelduin13 FFS! he noted that there are fascist groups active in Ukraine. There are and were. The military unit defending the Mariopol power plant is a fascist unit. That's just not up for discussion.
The extent of fascism in Ukraine has been overhyped - and #Corbyn might have been part of that. But to suggest he has ever been trivial about human rights is a sad slur - demanding another apology. You can eat the koolaid if you like - but UK hands are far from clean.
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Sunak's walking a very thin line. He's sucking up to the Jewish community, but angering the Muslim community & many onlookers who're just seeing deadly revenge missions being played out daily.
It's also affecting #Starmer who looks like a rabbit trapped in the headlights.
If he calls for a ceasefire, he'll reopen the antisemitism accusations #Labour had under #Corbyn.
If he allows the #Gaza slaughter to continue, he'll piss off Labour's big Muslim support
He's damned regardless
Over the past two weeks, seeing the resurrection of blaming-#Corbyn-for-everything I have moved to becoming a bigger fan.
Yet to hear a single serious argument against him.
& I'll note one that is utterly rubbish: "he was unelectable".
It is routinely trotted out without the slightest examination of what is really going on. If the entire establishment puts the effort they did into slurring someone, then we should look at the establishment not the someone.
That seems very obvious.
@ccferrie
It's a bitter irony.
We had to get rid of #Corbyn because of his anti-NATO stance and #Russia apologism.
Now #Starmer might lose the election for not speaking out about #Israel
Potentially keeping the conservatives in power which will be of no benefit to the #Palestinians
It may also result in a Labour / Lib Dem coalition though
@lightning I find his detractors console themselves with this story as they support people a fraction of his basic decency.
There is so much to critique but when the alternatives are the likes of Boris, Keir et al let’s start with their grotesque criminality. Nothing to say about #Corbyn while they are still attracting attention.
And I think this needs to be borne in mind when considering whether
a) #Corbyn is actually a racist/anti-semitic (the premise on which #Starmer based his whole leadership bid); or
b) the real racist, deadly, murderous, genocidal racist is actually #starmer
#TheLabourParty has more than just "lost it's way".
War crimes need accountability.
@blepharon Having purged the party quite as effectively as he has of all and any meaningful dissent, while #Starmer has reneged on 100% (check me - 100%) of the pledges made in his leadership campaign, there is nothing vaguely diverse about #TheLabourParty
They are clearly now Blairite clones and sheep. #Corbyn's broad church has been expelled or silenced.
But then - #StarmerIsATory after all.
We'll see. 🤔 #Corbyn
Labour will not punish calls for Israel-Hamas ceasefire, minister suggests.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/29/labour-shadow-cabinet-israel-hamas-ceasefire-keir-starmer-peter-kyle?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
🧵 3/3: The #FreePalestine rally in #London ended by in #Parliament square and it was poignant to see #Mandela's statue reminding us why #noJusticeNoPeace. After #JeremyCorbyn made his empassionate speech (something morally bankrupt #KeirStarmer could only dream of), he was mobbed by a thankful crowd. People know & respect it was #Corbyn's unwavering support for the #Palestinian cause that got him ostracised in the #Labour party (under fabricated #antisemitism)
@blepharon I’d love to hear some apology for the despicable lies they told about #Corbyn. And still do. Ain’t happening of course
"And who will judge you, in whose name these governments fail to act?"
Ugh! Fuck off #TheGuardian!
Which newspaper was it that helped destroy (the anti-war) #Corbyn to enable the #Tory landslide?
I know it might not have been Simon Tisdall's personal responsibility, but this shitty newspaper can fuck off to fuckery!
The Palestinian Cause Will Never Go Away
@jackLondon @MattMastodon @seb321 @johnelalamo I never said that did I?
I pointed out that the actions of those opposing #corbyn within his own party went beyond what you called "the odd groan"
@MattMastodon @OliverNoble @seb321 @johnelalamo
"successive right-wing labour leaders" - you mean 2? And class Ed Milliband as "right-wing"? Nuts!
BTW #corbyn got TWO goes at screwing up a GE - #starmer won't be afforded such largesse - fortunately he won't mess up like St Jeremy
Given how the left lambast current leader every chance they get, it's pretty rich to complain about the odd groan realistic #labour folk uttered watching former leader piss away any chance of evicting #toriesOut
Polly Toynbee [@pollytoynbee] one of the @guardian’s #Establishment courtier propagandists who helped hound #Corbyn out of his leadership of the Labour Party during the #ItWasAScam #AntiSemitism assault on him, now thinks that getting Starmer into Number 10 will “get rid of Right Wing populists” in Britain!
“A reason to be hopeful: in Poland they’ve kicked out the rightwing populists. Britain can too”
Talk about political naïveté! There are a few things she’s obviously failed abysmally to notice about her current ‘flame’, #KidStarver Starmer:
He’s a Right Wing, Red Tory, authoritarian, racist, misogynist, and liar!
Furthermore, Starmer is a bigot, an antisemite (because he’s an ‘unconditional’ #Zionist), a democrat-in-name-only, a #NATO-supporting warmonger, a longstanding chum of imperialists in the White House and the UK security state, an enabler of ethnic cleansing and genocide in #Gaza (which makes him a war criminal), and he’s utterly corrupt just like his #BlueTory chums in Parliament!
As Jonathan K Cook so famously put it in his Feb 2023 article “Starmer is paving the way for the triumph of dark politics”:
“Ultimately, the smearing of #Corbyn and the Labour left will bring about the very things the Labour right and the establishment media claim they seek to avert: Britain will become a darker, more racist, more authoritarian place.”
#Labour #LabourLies #ItWasAScam #Starmer #Reeves #Lammy #Streeting #Cooper #LabourCorruption #LabourFriendsOfIsrael #LabourFriendsOfApartheid #LabourFriendsOfGenocide #LabourFriendsofBigOil #LabourFriendsOfBigBusiness #LabourFiles #LabourRacism #LabourMisogyny #LabourIslamophobia #RedTory #StopStarmer
Harry Burns: former Labour staffer admits sabotaging Corbyn
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2023/10/12/harry-burns-labour-sabotage-corbyn/
Renationalisation under #Labour won't look like #Corbyn as CEO, with the unions as the board.
Labour will bring in the best & brightest to run & own up to 20% of the utility, whilst UK PLC is the 80% majority shareholder.
This way we get 100% of tax revenue & 80% of the profits & as the major shareholders, we can hire & fire & set policy which benefits the many, not the few in the boardroom as the current setup does.
#Corbyn spoke of Nationalisation, where #Starmer speaks of #GBEnergy. It's essentially a long winded nationalisation through the backdoor.
In terms of funding, Corbyn's wedded to the ideological doctrine of wealth taxes. Starmer advocates fairer taxation & closing existing loop holes like the Non Dom status & others.
Essentially they're similar, but use different political languages & approaches. But this isn't enough for the far left. It's Corbyn's way or open warfare! 🙄
3/ They're utterly deluded & rage at the likes of me because I prefer Labour without these unhinged #Corbynistas stinking the place out. 🤷🏾♂️
They forget that having record party membership under #Corbyn didn't stop #Labour being slaughtered at the 2019 General Election, which was the biggest political annihilation in recorded history.
They believe because they shout loudly, that everyone agrees with them. Most just can't be arsed getting into pointless cyclical arguments with them.
Many left in protest that #Corbyn was stitched up by the #Labour centre & the #Tories far right client media.
Many also left because they believed Labour would collapse without their support & membership. They expected Labour to come crawling on bended knee begging them to return, but the opposite happened.
The far left leaving, only made Labour more electable. Many now want to return, but on their terms & are now pissed because Labour no longer wants them, hence their anger. 🤷🏾♂️
The difference I've noted is in 92 & 97, the left settled down & looked at the bigger picture to secure power.
Whilst I sense similar this time around, there's definitely been a shift by #Labour to remove the extremist left who through #Momentum arrived with #Corbyn as leader, & left when he stood down, & again when losing the whip.
Those unwilling to toe the party line have been cut loose, with the remaining few knowing their fate if they return to the politics of protest.
I sense this time things are different & more similar to Kinnock's battle with Militant.
The glitter incident could've sunk #Starmer, yet he & #Labour have made capital out of it by saying this proves the politics of protest is over, & the politics of power is almost upon us.
Starmer came out of Conference with a better party & public standing, with the left faring worse & becoming weaker.
It's not lost on me that #Corbyn was twice openly critical of Labour AFTER Conference. 🤷🏾♂️
I thiink it highly unlikely #corbyn will put himself forward - he would embarrass himself
He may even fail to get re-elected in Islington North .... assuming he stands there
He's 74, & just like 71 year old Dianne Abbott, he can't leave politics alone. Like many before #Corbyn he's become intoxicated on power. 🤷🏾♂️
He can't find a way back to becoming a #Labour candidate, so now he wants to cause further carnage for #Labour by possibly running for the London Mayoralty. 🙄
Looking at the positives, it further strengthens the #Starmer claim that Labour's a different party who've distanced themselves from the past.
It might just be a vote winner.
Well my suspicion is that were #Corbyn to stand for #londonMayor he would get a pretty derisory number of votes - so he won't do it
I really do not get why the left cling to this old man as some form of totem - he has never done anything notable in his entire undistinguished career except destroy any chance of #labour forming a govt for several years whilst the #toriesOut torched our society - it is past time he retired
#Labour #Corbyn #SadiqKhan #Mayor
🚨Is Corbyn planning to run as a #London Mayor candidate?🚨
Jeremy Corbyn has given his strongest hint yet that he may run for London Mayor – a move likely to spell defeat for Labour incumbent Sadiq Khan
Corbyn told guests at a birthday party: 'You're going to be seeing me around – I'm not going anywhere.'
But one of Corbyn's friends said he would prefer to stand again for Labour in his seat.
Mr Corbyn's office declined to comment. 👀
Thinking again about this piece I wrote in 2016.
Things aren't quite the same now. The Tories themselves have become more disastrous. Starmer's positioning himself as a Tory Lite "safe pair of hands", possibly sufficiently deferential to vested interests that he'll be able to survive the media gauntlet.
But I still have the same sense of "when do we get to vote for what we actually want".
https://www.uncharted-worlds.org/blog/2016/10/an-outside-view-on-the-labour-party/
Victoria Aitkens on #QuestionTime talks about a Jewish MP who had to have a police escort to attend one of #Corbyn's conferences.
BUT
Here is what the police said at the time
"Merseyside Police has not provided Wavertree MP Luciana Berger with armed protection officers. The force has a highly visible policing operation in place for the duration of the conference."
You, too, can walk alongside a copper if photographers are nearby.
I just think it is something to be careful about - unlike gender ethnicity age or wealth it is largely self-defined
.... and most of the people who obsess about #class are not by any objective measure themselves "working class" (see #starmer & #corbyn - no more working class than I am) - but do so as a weapon to push their view of how society should be re-arranged - without the working classes themselves being consulted, of course
#5yrsago Britain’s #Corbyn-panicked #oligarchs are shifting money offshore https://www.ft.com/content/a1b456d4-c72c-11e8-ba8f-ee390057b8c9
#5yrsago #Dystopia watch: American schools are installing anti-shooter smoke cannons and bulletproof doors https://apnews.com/article/us-news-ap-top-news-laws-in-state-wire-north-america-3884ffc5420d4adaaa7732be30136ed9
#1yrago #Antitrust is – and always has been – about fairness https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/10/play-fair/#bedoya
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#Corbyn has done #Labour a huge favour. He's put a clear wedge between him, his far left cultists & Starmer's revitalised party.
No longer can the #Tories throw #Starmer being in Corbyn's shadow cabinet at him.
Today illustrated the difference between the politics of pointless protest & the politics of progressive power.
Keir showed he can remain calm under pressure, by keeping his composure when many would've clocked the protestor one on his hooter.
I wouldn't blame him if he did!
#Labour #Starmer #LabourConference #Corbynistas
STILL butt-hurt from his 2019 #GeneralElection mutilation, & moments after one of his disciples interrupted Starmer's speech, yesterday's man Jeremy #Corbyn just couldn't resist a pathetic jibe at today's Labour 🙄
I suppose he's entitled to his opinion, but he had his chances in 2017/19 & with #Brexit, but spectacularly blew all three!
He's too terrified to represent himself as the alternative with a new party, & we all know why.
#Labour #Starmer #Corbyn #GE2024
🚨*Will Jeremy Corbyn take on Labour for his Islington seat, & will he win?*🚨
Corbyn recently spoke at a Council meeting on Housing. When asked about Labour's housing policy, he had no hesitation in using the collective “we” to describe the Labour election campaign ahead. 👀
HOWEVER, Starmer's made it clear “that he doesn’t see any circumstances” that would allow his predecessor to be a candidate.
Looks like a royal scrap looming! 🍿 🤷🏾♂️
It's for the best. Here's a bit of homework for you...
Did #Labour propose a wealth tax in 2019, yes or no?
Also, would you rather Labour in power under another leader or in opposition under #Corbyn?
Who are you campaigning & voting for in #GE2024?
I've asked several times but you neglected to furnish me with an answer... 🤔
Read back. My narrative on Jezza has never changed. 🤷🏾♂️
Again, it wasn't so much his message, it was the messenger.
Now was a wealth tax proposed by #Corbyn in 2019?
I repeat it wasn't so much the message, it was the messenger.
The electorate voted on #Corbyn in 2019. Again, remind me how that panned out?
I said Far left #Corbynistas.
I repeat again... It wasn't so much #Corbyn's message, it was #Corbyn himself the #UK electorate didn't want.
What part of that don't you understand? 🤔
I know #Socialists within the #Labour party. The difference between them, & those expelled or who left with #Corbyn is their approach to politics & their understanding of the team ethic & the need for party discipline.
The far left rabble exited. The smoke cleared & centre left/right voters began to see Labour as a potential party of government again. It wasn't just coincidental.
This is why no one in Labour can be bothered fighting 2019 wars over & over again.
If #Corbyn wasn't savvy enough to defend himself & see off any party dissent or media onslaughts he encountered, he had no business being the leader of a major political party. All parties leaders across the globe suffer similarly.
Corbyn's a decent man. A salt of the earth type. The type of fella you'd want next to you on a picket line, a protest march, or as a keynote speaker at a rally, HOWEVER a leader of a major political party he should never have been.
The political earthquake in 1997 should serve as a lesson to the #Corbynistas who the #UK electorate really are.
We all love the rhetoric of Benn, Foot & #Corbyn, but no one wanted them as Prime Minister.
The far left will never learn. 🤷🏾♂️
@OliverNoble @jackLondon @Becksy @Healthcarer
Yada yada yada yada! You just sound ridiculously bitter dude! 😂😂😂
Give it up mate. Join the #SocialistWorkersParty, elect #Corbyn as your leader & Abbott, McDonnell & Derek Hatton etc as your executive, & put your #Socialist case to the electorate at #GE2024.
I don't get what you're waiting for... 😎
#VoteLabour
#Starmer
#Labour
#GTTO
🌹🇪🇺 ❎ 🗳️
@OliverNoble @jackLondon @Becksy @Healthcarer
Split hairs all you want mate. 😎
I can sense how butt hurt you are that #Labour have moved on & gone clear without #Corbyn & his lobotomised extremist far left lunatic fringe. 😂
#GE2024
#VoteLabour
#Starmer
#GTTO
🌹🇪🇺 ❎ 🗳️
You're welcome to take any #Socialist #Labour MP's with you if/when you all join the #SocialistWorkersParty & install #Corbyn as your leader.
Which Socialist MP's are these by the way, & why haven't they been purged from Labour or left in solidarity with Corbyn & The far left #Corbynistas who've apparently been expelled? 🤔
#5yrsago UK Tories created a secret anti-#Corbyn Twitter army, which promptly attacked Theresa May https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/these-leaked-messages-show-how-tory-hq-used-a-twitter-army
#1yrago #FederalistSociety v #CorporatePersonhood: Corporations don't have #FirstAmendment rights except when they're making political donations, refusing to bake cakes, or blocking birth control https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/27/freeze-peach/#paxton
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All interesting, if well-rehearsed, narrative.
But what jumps out is the binary thinking in terms of 'criticism of #Starmer can only stem from irrational hatred of him and is evidence of an irrational love of #Corbyn'.
It doesn't point to strong arguments or even an ability to engage in (constructive) argument.
5/ Why can't they join the #SocialistWorkersParty, install #Corbyn as leader, & create an executive with Abbott & McDonnell, & put their case to the UK electorate? 🤔
Nah, that's too much like hard work. They feel it's easier to stand on the sidelines & hurl shitbombs at #Starmer & #Labour.
They prefer to break things & burn stuff down, than create a #Socialist view for the #UK as an alternative to Starmer's vision for Britain.
Talk about bitter & pointless! 🙄
4/ Again, I'm no #Starmer fanboy. I'd rather have #Labour in power under a new leader, than in opposition under Starmer.
Can the far left #Corbynista's say they felt the same about #Corbyn when he was Labour leader? 🤔
For several years I've asked this question in respect to Corbyn, NOT ONE of his disciples has been honest enough to give me an answer, let alone an honest one.
Why can't they just move on & leave Labour alone?
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6. All we hear about from far left #Corbynistas is the Forde Report, Clause IV & the Ten Pledges, & NOT ONE alternative solution to save the UK, from #Tory destruction!
It's seriously like their way or no way! One guy on #Twitter spewed he was making it his life mission to DESTROY #Labour for what they did to #Corbyn?
HOWEVER, every time I ask what the far left's solution is, they don't have one! 🙄
2/ But there's a few issues.
1. Lifelong Eurosceptic #Corbyn was in charge of an 80% pro-EU #Labour Party
2. Jezza was leader, so regardless of what was suggested to him by his shadow cabinet, it was HIS decision to make a #Brexit confirmatory referendum party policy.
3. Jezza resigned.
4. #Starmer threw his leadership cap in the ring & won.
5. Starmer had to modify his message to reform, heal & rebuild Labour.
It just seems counterproductive.
Particularly when you're also arguing for getting away from the idea of personality politics and cult-like behaviour.
Your choice mate. The "Socialists" haven't gone anywhere. It seems they just infest the political wilderness with their bitterness & bile, & would prefer another 5 years of #Sunak's #Tories than a #Labour government led by anyone else but Jeremy #Corbyn.
His Messiah-like leadership & the cultist disciples who followed him was always gonna end in tears.
Why don't they just reform under the #SocialistWorkersParty with Corbyn as leader, & Abbott & McDonnell as their executive? 🤔
To all the #centrist "grown-ups" who obsess about #corbyn and denounce socialists as a #cult'ists...
Hmmmm....
#UKPol #UKPolitics
In terms of the UK, #Corbyn is considered hard left, if not Stalinist by the right wing media
My comment about chaining yourself to railings is in response to an eco-warrior who recently commented that if he has an issue, he doesn't want to calmly present his case & discuss anything. No, he'd rather skip to the break & set fire to everything stage, as his preferred means of getting things done
It's this approach that loses valid arguments & frightens the life out of moderates
What the far left don't get is the UK is by & large a Centre Right country.
Over the last 100 years, the #Liberals have been in power for 1 year, #Labour 28 (13 under Blair/Brown) & the #CONservatives 71.
We've NEVER had a far left #Socialist government, even under Atlee & Bevin, & their postwar welfare revolution.
The closest the far left have come is Foot in the early 80s, & #Corbyn between 2015-2020.
Even then, Corbyn ballsed up the Brexit vote, & lost in 2017/19 🤷🏾♂️
@benjamineskola @MutualityWSDEs @OliverNoble @Loukas
Nope. You're just deluded far left Corbynista cultists, who follows the man, & not #Labour. If not, answer my question...
Given the choice, would you rather Labour in power under #Starmer, or in opposition under #Corbyn? 🤔
I'm STILL waiting for a reply from any of you! Why? ⏳ 😳
@benjamineskola @OliverNoble @MutualityWSDEs @Loukas
You refuse to answer reasonable questions, & I've answered every last one of yours! 😳
All you're serving to do is prove exactly why it's pointless engaging with far left Corbynista's, & why Labour were absolutely spot on in removing #Corbyn, Abbott & the rest of you from positions of influence
You belong in the 1970s. As proved in 2019, the UK isn't interested in your flawed doctrine & logic.
You've TWO pending Corbyn questions. Answers?
@benjamineskola @OliverNoble @MutualityWSDEs @Loukas
It's called wealth creation mate. Read it again carefully & connect the dots. If you STILL can't get it, get back to me... 🤷🏾♂️
Also, would you rather Labour in power under #Starmer, or in opposition with #Corbyn?
@benjamineskola @OliverNoble @MutualityWSDEs @Loukas
2/ Also, would you rather Labour in power under #Starmer, or in opposition with #Corbyn?
@OliverNoble @benjamineskola @MutualityWSDEs @Loukas
"experts in the energy sector dont know what #GBEnergy is going to do, so of course I dont"
Which experts? 🤔
"A wealth fund ...funded by...?"
Here you go. Fill yet boots. 🤷🏾♂️
Source: https://labour.org.uk/press/labour-will-build-british-industry-to-create-jobs-and-grow-economy/
Also, would you rather Labour in power under #Starmer, or in opposition with #Corbyn? 🤔
@OliverNoble @benjamineskola @MutualityWSDEs @Loukas
"Nobody in the energy sector knows what GB energy will actually do"
And you do? 🤔
For the avoidance of doubt. 👇🏾
"The Labour Party will create Great British Energy, a new, publicly-owned clean energy company"
Source: https://labour.org.uk/issue/clean-energy-by-2030/
Also, would you rather Labour in power under #Starmer, or in opposition with #Corbyn? 🤔
@benjamineskola @MutualityWSDEs @OliverNoble @Loukas
Here's the #Labour policy on energy.
Let me know if there's anything you're unsure of. 🤷🏾♂️
Also, would you rather Labour in power under #Starmer, or in opposition with #Corbyn? 🤔
@OliverNoble @benjamineskola @MutualityWSDEs @Loukas
So with the UK's 101.1% debt/GDP ratio, how much will a wealth tax raise?
Is this a 1 off tax, or an annual tax?
Also, would you rather Labour in power under Starmer, or in opposition with #Corbyn? 🤔
Yesterday I posted a Reuters article saying how Sanna Marin was leaving politics in Finland and joining the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change.
I implied Tony Blair is a war-monger and his Institute promotes US hegemony.
Is Tony Blair recognised as a peace-loving fair minded politician internationally?
Totally neutral hashtags: 😉
#socialist #SocialistSunday #socialism #labour #labourparty #corbyn #blair #war #peace
@AnthonyFStevens @MutualityWSDEs @Judeet98 @Loukas i was thinking of the alternative that #starmer offered when he stood for leadership
Remember the 10 pledges??
#starmer #10pledges #labour
Whats with the right's obsession with #Corbyn ?
@OliverNoble @MutualityWSDEs @Judeet98 @Loukas
"The alternative that did exist has now been dismantled". Which alternative is this?
Surely not the 'alternative' offered by #Corbyn, which led #Labour to the largest election hammering in history? 🤔
Mate, if this is your claim, well the UK electorate totally disagreed with you & emphatically reinforced this by causing a near Labour wipeout.
Are you now suggesting Labour install a new Leader & represent Corbyn's 2019 manifesto? Seriously? 😳
@AnthonyFStevens @MutualityWSDEs @Judeet98 @Loukas
I dont think i have ever mentioned #Corbyn - I dont understand the labour right's obsession with him
#Starmer because *did* offer an alternative and *did* have policies that would have made a meaningful difference to peoples lives -
#10pleges anyone?
He then dumped all the policies and allowed the tories to destroy our civil rights, our environment and the prospects for our children by failing to offer any opposition or alternative
But whenever real leftist transformation was possible, liberals threw in with conservatives: think of the smearing and defenestration of #Corbyn by #Labour's right, or of the #LibDems coalition with #DavidCameron's #Tories, or of the #Democrats' dirty tricks to keep #Bernie from appearing on the national ballot.
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@thegrumpyenby
I still haven't got over how they sabotaged #Corbyn
@jackLondon Actually, if you look at the data I linked to, the vote among under-35 voters increased in both 2017 and 2019 – the elections #Corbyn fought – from levels substantially below 50%. Not enough, clearly, but nevertheless that's the only winning strategy available to #Labour
The over-60s with their paid off mortgages, sclerotic xenophobia and private pensions are not going to switch.
@therightarticle #Corbyn is probably the best leader #Labour have had since Michael Foot, but sadly that isn't saying much.
Jeremy #Corbyn voted the most popular Labour leader in new poll https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/jeremy-corbyn-voted-the-most-popular-labour-leader-in-new-poll-352184/
(edit: #introduction doh.)
Hi I'm aaron, an elder cis male queer based in the UK and on Fedi (Masto mostly) since Nov 2022 so I guess in fedi years I'm somewhere between uwu smol bean and get off my lawn.
Politically I lean #left (#Corbyn left not Starmer left) and though I'd prefer to smash the state and start over I vote #green because just look at the state of this place. I love discourse and aim for an open mind but I'll block for bad manners/bad takes from strangers, gross assumptions that don't demonstrate critical thinking or obvious trollbaiting. If Myers Briggs is important to you I'm #INTJ and will sometimes come off as sarcastic where I'm actually being earnest so please keep a charitable outlook if you don't know me yet.
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In my actual spare time I'm usually partaking in #exercise of some sort which helps to keep my mental health in check and I'm slowly working on improving my VO2 max and flexibility following close to a decade with a nasty back problem that impeded me and made me miserable. If I'm not doing that I used to enjoy #gaming (fuck you Stadia) and will often reminisce over platforms (Amstrad CPC 464 for life) and games of yore, I keep abreast of current releases but rarely game on the PC which I mostly use for work and longform shitposting. I'm more likely to be playing a text based choose your own adventure (usually one of the #VtM stories) than a shooter since I suffer with photosensitive epilepsy.
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Forty Years of Jeremy #Corbyn’s Successes in Parliament: A Progressive Voice for Change https://dorseteye.com/forty-years-of-jeremy-corbyns-successes-in-parliament-a-progressive-voice-for-change/
Boris Johnson and Donald Trump DID discuss selling the NHS – as Jeremy Corbyn said | Vox Political
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