Been going ham on Palia the last couple days. My friend and I found out about the flow tree groves. #palia
Pantheon: What’s so bad about 247 Extraction?
We need to have a little talk about Pantheon...
The problem with streaming a game like the classic EverQuest or FFXI Online, is that most of the stuff you do in a group just isn’t that exciting to watch. I can’t imagine a streamer broadcasting their Karnor’s Castle wall group for six hours of a tank bringing random drolvargs to the group that would then get up from their spell books, nuke and slash a couple of minutes, then sit down again while the tank went out to pull, would have many viewers.
When Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen — a game that at one time hoped to replicate the classic EverQuest experience of camping a spot for hours while someone pulled to the group — decided to focus its playtesting on streamers, I was more than a little dubious. How could they make that camp-centric game play exciting?
I watched a few streams, and the answer was: they can’t, really. Visionary Realms did their job too well.
While VR tried to curry the favor of streamers, behind the scenes they were rewriting the game… I guess it’s been rewritten a couple of times now. Recently, they decided to revamp the art style from their realistic vision to a more casual, less graphically intensive style. A simple lighting system, less realistic characters, basically the style used for mobile and casual games. Palia is a good example. Since I am not an influencer, I haven’t played Pantheon, so these screenshots came from Palia.Dragon Statue in Palia, I imagine Pantheon has something like it
So the way I see it, VR decided to make changes to the game that would make it more fun for streamers. Exit camping in one spot for hours. Enter… extraction mode.
I hadn’t heard of extraction mode, before it came to Pantheon. It’s super simple, and my son plays the same mode on Call of Duty. Basically, you start in a lobby, you and your team pick up some missions, and you are dropped into a battlefield. Your team has a limited amount of time to complete the missions and get to an extraction point before it’s game over.
No camping! You can play it solo, so no grouping, unless you want. PvP is optional, but if you want to, it’s full loot! You can keep backup gear right in the mission hub!
The video VR made for extraction mode showed a character doing some harvesting, killing some low level mobs, and then reaching the extraction point. It was exactly like if someone dropped you into EverQuest, told you you only had ten minutes to play, and then you ran around trying to make your time there useful.
Anyway, Visionary Realms, shocked at the negative feedback from non-streamers, backed away from extraction mode and said they were going back to their original vision.
They should have stayed with 247 Extraction Mode!
Here’s the thing. Non-streamers are never going to play Pantheon. The game is effectively dead. They have almost no staff, no money, no artists. They were previously, I guess, using Unity store bought assets, and now they are not, likely because it cost too much to use them in a commercial product. 247 Extraction Mode was a gamble that they could make some gameplay that streamers would enjoy again in order to get them some more money.
The first half decade VR worked on Pantheon, they were just implementing stuff as fast as they could to have more stuff to show to streamers, with no thought to how well the code worked or how well the code could be expanded. So they had to rewrite everything. I guess their plan was to buy as many assets as they could from the Unity store, including, most likely, Unity’s infamously cranky netcode, and then put a Pantheon skin on over it.
I don’t have a problem with that. No sense spending time reinventing the wheel. All that time rewriting and having nothing to show, though, hurt them with their target audience — streamers — and was doing nothing to make the people who’d paid them money feel that they were going to be able to play the game anytime soon.
With 247 Extraction Mode, though, maybe the streamers would have come back and sparked interest in the game again, enough interest to bring investors and player whales into the fold. Maybe Pantheon would be a game I could play at some point.
Sure, the game would have no resemblance to the game they started making, but do we even need the game they were making? I have skin in the game — they have a couple hundred bucks of my money — and for that money, I have got absolutely nothing. I will never get anything from it. I’ve stopped kickstarting MMOs. Lesson learned. But.
An extraction mode game based on fantasy classes would be fun.Dark and Darker
But… maybe VR aren’t the ones to make it. The intro video of the character hacking slowly at a mob didn’t make me want to jump in game. EverQuest, after all, still exists. Extraction games like Dark and Darker are fast, exciting, filled with magic and combat, and are very streamer-friendly. If you twist the definition around a little, you could call the FFXIV dungeon instances “extraction mode”. You enter with your own group or get randomly placed into a team. You run through the dungeon and are extracted at the end. I guess World of Warcraft even has that nowadays.
That’s not what Pantheon was meant to be. But, to be honest, what they were building wasn’t what streamers wanted. My YouTube videos on very much EverQuest-like Monsters & Memories have a fraction of the views that I get from even old games like Tactics Ogre: Knight of Lodis. And M&M is a game I could actually play! And was just pretty much exactly like classic EverQuest! I grouped, made friends I will look for in the next playtest, etc. Still niche. Their company guild is “Niche Worlds Cult”. They know who their audience is. Not streamers.
This is where I stand with Pantheon. If you have something you can release to early access, do it. Even if it is just one zone. Let everyone in. If you can’t… just shut it down. I was excited for Pantheon, once. I’ve seen other teams do the old school EQ model better since. I always felt your love of influencers was misplaced. The actual players were who you should have been courting.
I’d have played 247 Extraction Mode. I would have been happy to get anything for my money.
Related posts:EQ1: What waking the Sleeper meant to me…EQ3 on the PS3 in 2009?EQ: The Serpent Spine and Why I Hate the GrindEQ2’s next expansion — The Shadow of Odyssey
The more I play #Palia the more I prefer to just do things solo. Some of the people on there are so annoying.
Me: *explains a bug that's happening in the game*
Random person: "No, it's because of the achievements." *proceeds to say the exact same thing I just said*
Palia’s latest beta update adds a new character storyline, fresh decor, and a quirky critter
I should play #Palia again. I bet that crafting I left going a few months back is done by now.
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#ShareYourGames -- Literally!
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I've been catching crabs in #Palia - Got a cute new outfit too!
I've been playing #Palia today. I'm getting rather close to 70 hours (according to Lutris).
They just rolled out a #ReferAFriend program. So if you'd like a cute little fruit basket to welcome you, please use my link! If I can refer 5 people, I get cute little items myself.
#ShareYourGames -- literally!
Palia’s present patch provides popular personalization and plot perks
Made a fun discovery while checking out the new character customization options in the latest #Palia patch.
Turns out beards aren't exclusive to whatever body type you choose. Do you want your more femme-presenting character to rock a beard? You can totally do that.
AND IT'S GREAT. 😁
Palia confirms starstones, housing limit increases, and rummage piles for its November 7 patch
Practicing my fishing in the dying, pink light of Bahari Bay. I have such a ridiculously hard time with fishing and cooking in this game (whyy?) but I’m getting better at fishing I think. #Palia
Palia shares more starstone information and confirms plans to increase housing and decor
Palia has launched European servers, and yes, you still play cross-region
I made it a point to stay off #Palia today and write. Now that the writing is done and posted, it's time to dive back into the game.
Have any of you been to the top of the lighthouse yet? You need to find a couple of people to get on the nearest geyser with you and then glide to the wooden walkway nearest to the top. There's nothing there but the view.
From yesterday - a mail from an NPC: remember to mail bricks to other Blacksmiths. You know, for the heck of it.
Because I was so mentally drained from being around people and over-stimulated after bowling at a city's bowling alley, I had the whole evening #Palia.
I've not done more than 1½hrs before, but now I'm a bit of the way in I'm only just realising how much you can do in that world.
If you can be a bit forgiving of bugs in a pre-beta (which I am) & don't expect perfection (I never do), there's actually a lot to enjoy.
Sweet! 😍💪 #Palia
„Players in the EU can also expect dedicated servers for improved latency and gameplay experience.“
„When do EU servers go live, and what does it mean for me? EU servers will go online during our next planned update later this month. There will be no account or gameplay effects other than improved latency for players located in the EU region.“
Palia lands on the Epic Games Store next week alongside new European servers https://massivelyop.com/2023/10/17/palia-lands-on-the-epic-games-store-next-week-alongside-new-european-servers #Palia
Playing #Palia today! If you want to join the beta, here’s a referral code: https://accounts.palia.com/sign-up?referral=46aca326-af8a-4e07-b09c-aa0db220a718
Palia’s latest beta patch offers pumpkins, romance, and a challenging obstacle course https://massivelyop.com/2023/10/12/palias-latest-beta-patch-offers-pumpkins-romance-and-a-challenging-obstacle-course #Palia
Stumbled upon this random Maji statue (or maybe a shrine?) while out farming for copper ore in #Palia and now I'm wondering if there are more of them...
Mein Lieblingsspiel dieses Jahres ist #Palia. Offene Beta, schon so viel zu tun, wunderschön, cozy und #wholesome. Kostenlos, lediglich extra Kleidung lässt sich erwerben.
Invite (da freu ich mich natürlich sehr):
Oder https://palia.com/, hat eigenen Launcher, mal kein Steam und Co.
I'm having a bout of disassociation this week, so I'm focusing my attention on #Palia and preparing for the car boot sale tomorrow. I wanted to scrounge around for more things, but I did not have the energy. All my books are packed into the car and hoping to find new owners tomorrow.
So. Serious question to those who enjoy something akin to Palia. What is the appeal of an MMO that has none of the features that people look for in an MMO? No gear grind cause no combat. No rare loot for the same reason. No raids or dungeons.
It seems to be a chore simulator. Cooking, gathering, decorating...this reminds me, I need to do laundry.
Seriously though, I just don't understand. Is the appeal that it is just a questing game with other people? It's not even the best iteration of that. There's also Elder Scrolls Online which tells better stories with combat so easy, a braindead monkey could do it.
On a similar note, I have a quest that requires, among other things, star-quality chappa meat.
Lots of fur and normal meat. No star-quality yet. And I don't think this is something that can be requested. This is going to take a while.
Literal real-world DAYS after giving up and requesting a pearl for Eshe's quest, I'm finding a lot more oysters and a whopping THREE gave me a pearl, all in the space of 5 minutes.
Either RNGsus has a sense of humor or the devs tweaked the drop rate. Or I finally found the exact right place on the shorelilne.
Just #Palia Things
Also, I really shouldn't say that my previous hunt yielded zero pearls. I got a whopping one or two green pearls! But Eshe wanted a plain pink one.
Eshe, you condescending snob, I know where to find oysters. It's just that the search yields mostly shells, and what oysters I do find don't often have pearls.
You better be generous with your remuneration.
Dang ol' tell yew hwat, man, Eshe better pay me WELL for that replacement pearl she wants. So far I'm finding mostly shells, and what few oysters I come across haven't yielded any pearls.
Just #Palia Things...
After playing #Palia, I kind of wish more games like this had the multiplayer part when you're not in your home instance.
I've been playing #Palia and urrrggghhh I wish there was a way to re-do some dialogue options.
Elouisa: I thought I was just being clever! I want that fish phone!
Auni: I don't know why I asked about money in exchange for the sunshade leafhopper. And Zeki, is 700 really your best offer? I think I screwed myself over on this quest.
ive hit the grind portion of #palia where its just:
get on and spend the next hour or 2 just talking to villagers and spending the rest of my time till the next day rolls around and i can talk to everyone again just collecting random resources or running around my plot with nothing to do
luckily i think i heard theres supposed to be an event soon?? so thats perfect timing 👌
Is anyone else interested in playing #Palia? I have a referral code.
I do get some cute in-game cosmetic prizes for my avatar, Xianna Bross if you use one.
Thank you for your help!
Hey, just letting you know I'm still alive.
Palia is just being very addictive 🙈😂
It is such a ADHD hell, but in a good way 😂
Here, have 2 Chester pictures 🥰
I was doing some cable tidying for my PC and he was extremely upset about the white plastic snake 😅😂
PLAYLOG TO DO
No guarantee Palia will play nice with my streaming setup-- I basically have a fancy potato; I may do a VLOG instead.
SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! 08/13 6:00PM EST
I'll be playing it by ear after that; there's quite a few #Pride events happening in my city that I'd like to check out. <3
Now, if only I could play a game with such alluring promises (cozy, relaxing, etc.) without the need to always think how to gain money to buy the next thing.
Because, it's basically what I do (and I think you do too) in real life, I don't need to transport this need into a game as well.
Bonus: I hate creating threads. I should really get a write.as blog.
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Yes, I get it it's not a game with a concept of rushing things, but this excessive farming and grinding might lead to frustration. I can't feel calm enough thinking about how much I'll have to grind.
It has a nice and cozy background, nice characters (although I'm still thinking why I can romance a robot and not a cat-man, please love me back Zeki 💗 )
After playing the last few days I'm going to say that #Palia is... good-ish.
Aside from the few bugs I found, totally expected throughout a beta phase, I found myself behind a huge grinding wall.
To get recipes you need to level up your skills. To buy unlocked recipes you need money, only rewarded selling whatever you're farming (fish, hides, crops, you name it).
Quests unlocks in the best case new recipes, which...you have to buy (see above).
So #Palia just sent out the largest email invites yet for the closed beta.
For those of you waiting for your invites, it could take up to 90 mins for them to go out — hope you get in!
One good thing about today is I got into the closed beta for #Palia can't wait to get that downloaded! Will jump into that game in the morning, as the hunt for a Golden Stag takes priority!
On the off chance anyone is looking for a #Palia referral link: https://accounts.palia.com/sign-up?referral=35316d25-752f-4ef0-abbb-bb8aaf1e038b
Reminder that if you love cozy games such as Stardew Valley & Animal Crossing, you should check out Palia!
#Palia is a life / farming sim mmorpg, and it's free to play! I've been playing it for the last few days with friends and we've been having so much fun :blobBlush:
You can sign up for their beta here: https://accounts.palia.com/sign-up?referral=49106e2d-f451-4a7d-b923-f91f09414099
(if you use this link you'll give my wife some cute in-game cosmetics & they'll be very happy :blobCatHeart: )
Have you been playing #Palia? Did you get into the closed beta yet?
I’m loving it. It’s super chill. It’s accessible. It rewards me for curiosity. I highly recommend it!
Excuse me? My name is a swear word? Guess I'm not playing #Palia, then
so there's this new MMO about to go into open beta 🥺👉👈
there's NO combat -- it's like stardew valley or animal crossing. There's crafting, farming, cooking, home decorating, bug catching, etc. and you can romance NPCs. And you can do it all with a big community of other players! I just got invited to the closed beta and I'm SO excited to start playing.
Want to try to get into the new game Palia Beta?
Here's a referral link:
If you're interested in trying to get into the #Palia Beta, here is my friend referral link:
They're slowly releasing invites to players via email.