#StageManager
Everything old is new again, eh #macOS?
https://techreflect.org/2022/06/rising-from-the-ashes-stage-manager/
All the bad feelings I had with #StageManager in iPadOS 16 have almost disappeared on 17.
Maybe this time 🤞🏻
Funny how they don’t show #StageManager on #macos. 😂 #wwdc
Oh stimmt #StageManager gab es auch mal 😂 #iPadOS17
#Freeform wird langsam interessant
I currently have a USB-C hub that works well with my iPad. It has power pass-through to keep my iPad charged, 4K/60hz HDMI output (for #StageManager), USB-A ports for various accessories/storage and an SD card slot. While I can just use that and some run-of-the-mill audio/MIDI interface, I'm hoping I can collapse down to just a single box for simplicity. #MusicTech #AudioRecording #iPadStudio
Another thing i'd like to see for #StageManager on #macOS : hold ⌘ or another modifier when dragging an app from another screen to add it to the stage.
imo the update to #macOS #Ventura brought one of the biggest productivity enhancements of any OS release in years: #stageManager!
i love it so much. combined with HazeOver i love not having distracting things everywhere, i have on the peripheral a shelf where i can see when changes have happened or my tail starts producing logs, that sort of thing. i love it. i use it on macOS and #iPadOS and as a fan of virtual desktops and using pagers for over 20 years this is great.
Stage Manager Should just Exit, Stage Left
I have been using Stage Manager on my Macs on a daily basis for well over a month now, and I have… feelings about it.(...)
#ventura #missioncontrol #macos #ux #taskswitching #stagemanager #productivity
I'm liking #StageManager enough to continue using it but i think it needs something like a 'child windows ignore stages' or even a user definable ‘this app can ignore stages' setting.
I'll quite often get a new email window for example take centre stage which isn't ideal.
Or being able to say ‘Settings’ can ignore stages so it can float and i don’t have to pull the other app i was working in.
Or, being able to open an app into a stage with a drag from the dock. (Maybe make removing app icons a right click only action)
This has been #macOS hot takes. Tune in for other observations at 7.
Come si usa #StageManager? Un breve video di Apple lo spiega.
Every time I use #StageManager on my iPad I’m reminded that #Apple forgot to add hotkeys to #StageManager on the #Mac, and it annoys the heck out of me because I want _one_ usable #UX for window management, and, guess what, #StageManager isn’t it.
Stage Manager und iPadOS 17: Optimierungen geplant
Ein Leaker namens analyst941 veröffentlicht auf Twitter interessante Informationen zu bevorstehenden Software-Updates. Darunter auch Details zu iPadOS 17 und dem Stage Manager.
Dem Tweet zufolge sollen zahlreiche Neuerungen erwartet werden. Eine davon betrifft den Stage Manager, der verbessert
https://www.apfeltalk.de/magazin/news/stage-manager-und-ipados-17-optimierungen-geplant/
#News #Twitter #Leak #Gerücht #StageManager #iPadOS17
Guess what, the #StageManager keyboard shortcuts I found in #iPadOS don’t exist in #macOS at all. Thanks #Apple, very consistent of you.
But to be fair: #StageManager looks like a missed opportunity to me. The goal it's trying to solve is to make work more focused & finding correct windows easier. This is *exactly* what desktops are for. So instead of fixing an existing paradigm by improving it's screaming UX flaws, they decided to invent same-same-but-different and give it shiny new sticker.
I'm "after playing with the feature for a while and not understanding anything, had to google a 101 video" years old.
Secondo i #rumors in #ipados17 ci saranno delle migliorie per #stageManager. Nello specifico:
🔹 Supporto webcam per monitor esterni
🔹Streaming da più sorgenti audio/video contemporaneamente con Stage Manager abilitato
🔹Dock ridimensionabile nel display esterno
🔹Modificare la sorgente di uscita audio
🔹Mettere il display dell'iPad in stato di stop mentre il display esterno rimane acceso
These kind of minor tweaks to #StageManager are well and good, but the basic design and user experience are flawed (though better on #PadOS than #macOS IMO). #iPadOS17 #UX #Apple https://apple.news/AfnxSoXkFTLqRnMud0FkJjg
Notes for April 24-30
A very satisfactory week, at least on a personal level.(...)
#airplay #office #windowmanagement #zigbee #hardware #fans #stagemanager #mqtt #3dprinting #thinksmart #android #ambilight #dremel #utilities #desktop #macos #cabling
U stage managera z iPadOS na externím displeji mě osobně nejvíc štve, že nevyužije celé rozlišení displeje a nechává po stranách černé pruhy jak když vysílá ČT starý 4:3 film…
I've been making a conscious effort to use #stagemanager with two very large displays over the past week, and I think #apple's intent was to make it into a sort of “visual #spaces for the masses”, grouping apps by context/task visually instead of hiding them in a separate space.
As such, it is a complete and dismal failure usability-wise, because:
Showed my coworker how #StageManager works on iPadOS and didn’t realize I had my subreddits showing… 🫣🫠😅
I’m a big fan of @AppleSupport videos. They are great.
BUT.
Watch this “How to use Stage Manager” explainer. They do their best, but to me, this just highlights what a tough sell Stage Manager is.
Feels like a solution in search of a problem. 🤔
Does anybody really use #stagemanager on #iOS or is it just me being too old to get used to it?
We’ll have to wait and see, but I’ve always said Stage Manager was developed with this device in mind.
“Many iPad apps from the App Store will be able to run on the headset, either automatically or with slight modifications.”
Apple Readies Arsenal of Apps for New Headset, Aiming to Win Over Wary Users
#iPad #StageManager #Apple
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-18/apple-vr-ar-headset-apps-sports-tv-fitness-gaming-wellness-ipad-features
It’s nice to see iPads supporting an external monitor and I’ve come to like #StageManager on my #iPad and MacBook, but the iPad simply isn’t a #laptop replacement, by far. After connecting a #keyboard and #mouse it quickly becomes clear that #iPadOS is unable to function like a desktop OS. It can not understand arrow keys, the mouse is not intuitive, which is to say it doesn’t act like a typical mouse pointer. It’s better than years ago, but has a long way left to become a laptop replacement.
Hi, BAT Theatre is looking for a stage manager for our Summer-in-the-Parks show Good Morning, Bill. We'll be doing 6 to 8 performances in South King County Parks between July 14 and August 20. Show dates are being set.
The director is Rachel Rene. There is a six-week rehearsal period in the evenings and one weekend day. Rehearsals are in Burien.
The stipend is $650.
Message me for more info.
#BATtheatrer #StageManager #SummerShow #IsThisFourYou #TheaterOutside
@erwinheiser Upgrade. #Stagemanager is clearly a strong argument.
Wieso sagt mir denn keiner, dass #StageManager auf #MacOS ja mal mindestens genauso geil ist wie auf dem #iPad?
Und ich dachte, dass würde nur auf #AppleSilicon laufen...🙈
I sometimes wish apps other than #Safari, such as #Pages, supported #TabGroups so I that could easily switch to a bunch of documents I’m using for a particular project without having to open each of them individually. But then isn’t that what #StageManager is for?
Unfortunately, SM fails to do that because SM window layouts (unlike Safari tab groups) do not persist between logins. I hope #Apple will fix this and make SM genuinely useful in the next version of #macOS, but I’m not holding my breath. #UX #UXFail
Something I noticed about #macOS #StageManager recently:
Without Stage Manager (the behavior people are familiar with): “Cycle Through Windows” (shortcut: ⌘ + `) ONLY cycles through the current app’s windows.
With Stage Manager: “Cycle Through Windows” cycles through all windows (even from different apps) that are “on the stage”.
Thanks to a dead MacBook, I now have firsthand experience how utterly crap #StageManager is on #iOS when using an external monitor and mouse/keyboard. Windows do what they want, the mouse cursor jumps to the top left corner every three seconds, the iPad forgets any screen setup config after each disconnect, etc. How did anyone over at #Apple give the green light on shipping this?
@wyssdaniel Muss ich auch mal wieder aktivieren den #StageManager, nutze ihn gelegentlich gerade am iPad aber bei macOS vergesse ich komplett das es ihn gibt 😂
Ich mag diesen #StageManager immer mehr. Eigentlich unglaublich clever gelöst auf einem Mac.
I’m still utterly baffled by #StageManager in #MacOS ... it has potential uses, but it does things that just don’t seem either intuitive or logical to me.
Was ich glaube ich lieber hätte als #stagemanager wären Spaces, die nicht so scheiße sind wie Spaces heute. ^^
Verwende jetzt #stagemanager auf dem Mac seit ca. 1-2 Monaten und bin immer noch relativ positiv gestimmt. So ein paar Eindrücke.
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Die Fenstergruppen, welche meine Arbeits-Kontexte bilden funktionieren für mich besser als Spaces (bisher intensiv genutzt), da bei Spaces neue Fenster gerne auf anderen Spaces aufgehen.
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Switch zwischen den Arbeitskontexten schnell und zuverlässig.
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Wegfallender Screen-Platz.
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Mehr Kontrolle / Definitionen über die Gruppen nötig.
@hello_buckers I confirm, there are only few occasions Stage Manager adds value. For me Stage Manager ist a big fail. #ipad #StageManager
I’m not entirely sure if if I find #StageManager in #macOS useful or not. It's a bit too iPad-ish and feels like I’m shuffling windows sometimes. Seems like something that needs more work …
@hello_buckers I'm using it intermittently on #macOS with mixed results. It's helpful if I need to hunker down and focus on a task without distraction... but it's buggy.
Ditched my #iPad a few years back. Wasn't using it.
I might have just found THE reason to use Apple's #StageManager: #ADHD.
When I use my Mac I use it like a Windows' machine: dock visible and the current window takes up the entire screen. Sadly I tend to forget what apps I've currently open and, to make matters even worse, if I switch to an app like "Music", I instantly forget what I was doing just a second ago. UNLESS, I use StageManager. I can't forget what I was doing because I "can't" hide it.
A super underrated feature of #StageManager is the ability to run both iPhone apps and apps that don’t support Split View all at the same time! Here I have 2 iPad apps that have never supported ‘classic’ iPad multitasking and an iPhone app all in one work space 🔥
Am I the only one who thinks that #Apple’s #stagemanager is not being built primarily for #ipad nor for #macOS, but rather for xrOS/realityOS?
I'm really trying to like #macOS
#StageManager
but it's so un-intuitive...
Today I noticed that TABS of Terminal can be "pinned" to different stages. In other words, switching tabs in a single Terminal window switches stages (all the other windows) behind it.
I don't know how I did this or even that it could be done. It's just so weird!
Apple’s Design Trap
Before #stageManager on the Mac, I was manually creating a somewhat similar experience where I would give every app its own virtual desktop. It worked for my brain, but it was always a bit of a pain to maintain. And using the iPad without being able to see the dock while running an app just felt broken.
Stage Manager has been such a huge breath of fresh air for me on both platforms in terms of daily usability.
@maffeis @mttvll @JPEGuin @libei @dimillian @holz Die anderen kannte ich schon. Aber was ich bei #wooly nett finde ist, dass mal der Bildschirm vom #ipad ausgenutzt wird. Da muss ich mit #ivory schon den #Stagemanager bemühen. Geht natürlich auch…
Does anyone know the gesture to start #StageManager on an #Apple #iPad? Would be much more comfortable than activating it via the Control Center.
Toying around with #StageManager on #iPad and @ivory a new iOS #Mastodon client which I am currently dating..
I've been using #StageManager on my M2 Air since #macOS #Ventura came out.
With #BetterTouchTool, I set up a few really helpful gestures:
1: 2-finger swipe right on a minimized window adds it to a set (simulates ⇧-click)*
2: 2-finger swipe left on the app drawer pushes the current window back into the app drawer (simulates ⌘-M)*
3: 4-finger swipe right/left cycles through app sets (action in BTT)
*condition: mouse_position_x <= 140
#stagemanager on #macos wishes - I’d love more slots, but also an “everything else” slot where all the extras live. And dragging windows between slots, and the ability to restack/rotate a slots content and… Oh and lock a slot. But then is there even an API for Stage Manager? Are the Magnet, Tiles, Moom…et al folk looking at this?
Why are people pretending that #StageManager on #macOS 'finally' allows people to manage all their open applications. Are they just pretending they haven't had the ability to switch between multiple desktops for years?
@viticci I have #StageManager disabled on #macOSVentura precisely because managing groups is so wonky. I just use #Spaces and #Moom by Many Tricks: https://manytricks.com/moom
@viticci Wow, that’s colossally stupid and one more reason to avoid #StageManager. You get your workspaces grouped just so and then maximizing a window breaks them up.
@gxgyang My main problem is that it’s a multi-step process to launch an app and have it join the currently-displayed windows. #StageManager always wants to put the app in a new group and hide your current one. I’ve gone back to just #Spaces. https://twitter.com/markjgardner/status/1588307875071676417
If anyone at #Apple is around, I just filed #feedback FB11917009 (No display or text scaling options on LG 5K HDR display and no ability to choose audio output), because I finally got the right sized cable for my #iPadPro to test #StageManager on my bigger monitor, and it has two bugs:
- I cannot see any text scaling options for this display.
- I cannot use the monitor audio output
I also updated last year’s blog post: https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2022/12/14/1230
At least this is something to do while sick.
A lot of people seemed to mock #StageManager on #iPadOS, but it’s honestly been transformative to the way I use my #iPad.
Has anyone found #StageManager useful?
After about a day I've come to the realization that the fixed position of #StageManager on the left-hand side of #MacOS #Ventura means I won't be using it much. Hopefully #Apple decides to allow us a bit more flexibility on the screen position where Stage Manager can appear from. I won't be holding my breath though.
And what even is the difference between the two? Also, there is minimising, and hiding, and #StageManager and what not. Am I supposed to use my computer like an iPad or a laptop???
@scottjenson Yes. I’m all for simplification, but #StageManager seems to remove useful functionality rather than add it. It would better if SM did more for you, like reorganising and sizing your windows in a sensible way. Unfortunately the iPad implementation of this is more annoying than useful, since sizing options are limited and you can’t easily override the positioning it provides (try using it with picture-in-picture playing, for example!).
There’s the kernel of a good idea here, but much as I’ve tried to like it, I feel like #Apple needs to go back to the drawing board and reconsider what and who it’s actually for.
OK, I've been using #StageManager for a few days now and it's pretty much driving me crazy. I have this HUGE display and I'm switching apps like I'm on an iPad. Yes, it's possible open >1 window at a time, but it's a 'special case'
Just feels like a half baked iPad #UX concept, designed for small screens instead of something a desktop needs: a system that takes advantage of a large screen.
I like #StageManager for #Mac so far, but it definitely needs some polish.
There's too much friction when adding a new app to the current Group. Working on multiple displays wonky in lots of little ways, feels like it wasn't tested much.
But overall I like the feature, it fits the way I work with groups of apps. #Apple
@pixel I tried #macOS #Ventura’s Stage Manager for a couple of weeks. I work both on my 16” MBP display alone and with an attached 5K external display.
I turned it off. I was spending *more* time managing windows by dragging them in and out of different groups, with new windows automatically shuttling currently visible ones off to the side in a separate group instead of keeping everything together.
#StageManager, like #Spaces before it, needs better memory about the windows it’s organizing.
Why Ventura’s Stage Manager is so important
#macOS #Ventura #StageManager #UI #UX #Interaction
https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/
Other people using #StageManager on #macOSVentura: Is there a way to open a new app directly into the current group?
AFAICT, I need to:
- Open the new app, which minimizes my current group
- Click my group to bring it back to the foreground
- Mouse to the left side of my display to toggle Stage Manager
- Drag the new app into my current group
This feels... clunky. Am I missing a trick here? #Apple #TechSupport #Mac
Pro Tip when using #StageManager on #macOS. If some apps (e.g. my Terminal) are transparent, obviously, they’ll show transparent there as well, which is great!I
Can anyone recommend an ssh terminal app for iPad that works well with stage manager?
I have been using most recently a-Shell, but it has some problems when resizing windows (remote terminal does not resize properly)
Since there is no custom window manager in iPadOS, giving Stage Manager another go. Latest beta feels much better than before, but sometimes you encounter these silly probs with the dictation/editing toolbar 🤦♂️
@scottjenson Right. I have to say I’m genuinely baffled as to who #StageManager is supposed to appeal to. It doesn’t give #iPad users enough of a desktop-like experience, and it hobbles the existing #macOS one. Perhaps it’s simply designed to sell more, and larger screen, devices. But that seems very un-#Apple (even though they are of course driven my commercial motives). Overall, it seems like a solution in search of a problem rather than a hybrid of the best of both platforms.
@keithwilson It feels like such a backwards way to approach the problem: "Bring desktop-switching to iOS but ignore everything we've learned".
Apple is effectively abandoning the desktop, trying so hard to make everything iOS first, desperate to make the desktop irrelevant. I'm not against iOS, I'm just saying it could be MORE aggressive, trying even harder. #StageManager just feels like it was designed with 2 hands tied behind it's back.
Using #StageManager on #macOS a regular basis feels like unnecessarily hobbling the user interface. It removes distraction, but I can use full screen mode for that. It supports multiple windows, but I can use Spaces for that. What exactly is it for? #Apple #UX
First disappointing experience with #StageManager on #Mac: I had maybe 5-6 apps together in a... Stage? What do we call these?
Restarted, and only 2 of them came back together on one Stage. The others were all kicked out on their own. I had to manually drag them back onto my main Stage of work.
Not sure if bug, intended behavior, or apps need updates. My bet is bug since 2 apps came back together. Do apps need to do anything to support Stage Manager? #Apple