#webbrowser
I've used #Firefox for a long time and don't really have an issue, but I know there were some actions that people didn't like, not open sourcing Pocket, that ad for a VPN, etc.
I do think it's a shame that #Mozilla takes money from Google, and there's some telemetry on by default.
What do you think of the points in this video or other criticism? I don't know anything about the creator, which is part of the reason that I'm asking here.
Betanews: Mozilla says Firefox Android beta and nightly testers can now try out browser extensions https://betanews.com/2023/09/29/mozilla-says-firefox-android-beta-and-nightly-testers-can-now-try-out-browser-extensions/ #FirefoxAndroidextensions #FirefoxAndroidNightly #FirefoxAndroidBeta #FirefoxAndroid #webbrowser #Developer #Article #Firefox #Mozilla
#Mozilla #FirefoxESR 115.3.1 has been released (#Firefox / #Enterprise / #Organization / #ExtendedSupportRelease / #WebBrowser / #Web / #Browser) https://mozilla.org/firefox/enterprise
#Mozilla #Firefox 118.0.1 has been released (#WebBrowser / #Web / #Browser) https://mozilla.org/firefox/
Zehn Sicherheitslücken in Chrome geschlossen, eine wird bereits ausgenutzt | heise online
https://heise.de/-9319635 #Webbrowser #Browser #Chrome #Sicherheitslücken #Update
Vivaldi also seems to have an insane amount of UI customization. I didn't get deep into it yet, but I was very delighted to find out I could actually change the location of the tab-closing "x" button from the left end of the tab (default) to the right end (the way I prefer). Nice.
Vivaldi is making a pretty darn solid first impression with me. Surely I'll need to play with it more, but I can see it becoming my main browser over Safari or Firefox.
2/2
Installed Vivaldi browser on my Mac today. I'm honestly quite impressed. Everything feels snappy, and being Chromium-based, it plays nice with sites that Safari sometimes stumbles on.
I didn't install any extensions on it, but its built-in adblock seems more than adequate. No ads in youtube by default!
On paper, its Web Panel feature seemed unnecessary and gimmicky, but now I can see how it could be useful. I should actually try using it.
1/2
There is a pretty simple rule that I always use when choosing an OS: If the OS tinkers with the included web browser in any way (custom home page, default bookmarks...), it's not an OS for me.
About that whole "#google flagging a #website => #webbrowser reject it also"
This is kind of a #big #deal ..
Imagine what this company can do.
What would you rather do? Use #Librewolf based on #Firefox 109 or use current Firefox 117?
I'm not sure if I actually need everything in Librewolf, I could probably just disable telemetry in Firfox and be good enough.
Remember #Servo the experimental #web engine “of the future” that #Mozilla was making?
It’s not dead! In fact, it was re-activated as a #LinuxFoundation project and is being actively developed with the goal in mind to “provide an independent, modular, embeddable web rendering engine, allowing developers to deliver content and applications using web standards. ”
I wish it a bright future! There is hope! 😻
I know we're not supposed to use #GoogleChrome anymore, but does anyone know how to unshittify Omnibox autocompletion in #Chrome 118?
It used to be that typing "a r s" would autocomplete to "arstechnica.com" which is one of my bookmarks. now it autocompletes to "arstechnica.com/some/story/i/read/3/weeks/ago.html?tracker=crap"
Great to see #FireFox getting some credit for not being based on #Chromium @mozilla congrats on the well deserved achievement, and keep up the great work on making the best and most secure by default #webbrowser
#OpenSource
https://www.slashgear.com/1395506/every-major-web-browser-ranked-worst-best/
Top 3 iOS 17 Features: Enable on Your iPhone Now: iOS 17 is here with new features like automatic code cleanup, live voicemail transcription, and private browsing with Face ID. https://shut.net/2023/09/19/news-top-3-ios-17-features-enable-on-your-iphone-now?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=mastodon #AppleInc #Mobileapp #Patchcomputing #IPhone #Webbrowser
🧑💻It looks like you are using an ad blocker💾
How to remove stupid "It looks like you're using an ad blocker" message from websites, and why they're a stupid idea in the first place.
Read More 👉https://ncot.uk/it-looks-like-you-are-using-an-ad-blocker/
#adverts #WebBrowser #website
It looks like you are using an ad blocker
Why yes I am. And let me also introduce you to my friend “developer mode”.
First we see the slightly offensive box on our screen and notice it’s just some kind of overlay.
And with some school kid hacker skills we find the bit of HTML responsible for the overlay
And find the parent DIV
And then delete it…
Then for bonus points find the container for the text box…
And make that go away.
Pro tip: If you run a website and you think blocking people who are using ad blockers is a good idea, you are wrong, you are an idiot. Either we just disable your ad blocker blockers, or we go somewhere else. You are but one website amongst several billion that Google suggested, it’s so very easy to go somewhere else.
Related posts: Image Shortcode TestUpdated WebsiteHow to disable Chrome’s ssl and hsts warnings1990s Web Culture – How the Internet used to behttps://ncot.uk/?p=1308
Discover #Microsoft's new patent app US20230289044A1 that lets your #webbrowser identify & play media content directly from any #webpage text. It compares webpage text to a media database, highlights matches, and offers a popup to #play the content
@cronocx @iamkale @rmondello Don't get me wrong, I like Firefox and they do a lot of things the right way. In fact, Firefox is my main #webbrowser I use. But it doesn't mean I have a blind eye where #firefox has it's weakness.
Jetzt patchen! Attacken auf kritische Schadcode-Lücke in #Chrome naheliegend | Security https://www.heise.de/news/Jetzt-patchen-Attacken-auf-kritische-Schadcode-Luecke-in-Chrome-naheliegend-9301825.html #GoogleChrome #ChromeBrowser #Exploit #Webp #Patchday #Webbrowser #Browser #Google
Private Web Browser – a fast, secure and smart mobile browser for Android users https://archiveapp.org/private-web-browser/ #webbrowser #android
Jetzt patchen! Attacken auf kritische Schadcode-Lücke in Chrome naheliegend | heise online
https://heise.de/-9301825 #Webbrowser #Browser #Chrome #Sicherheitslücke
Chrome feiert 15. Geburtstag mit neuem Look und umstrittenem Cookie-Ersatz
https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000186324/chrome-feiert-15-geburtstag-mit-neuem-look-und-umstrittenem-cookie-ersatz #Webbrowser #Browser #Chrome
Oh drat, I thought I'd give the #Vivaldi browser a shot, but it doesn't (yet) seem to have automatic profile selection based on a URL.
I wanted it to use a profile based on a URL pattern.
For example,
*.youtube.com would launch/use a profile that I use for various Google related activities.
I know that other browsers have that feature already. I use it routinely (but I was considering switching my primary browser).
#Threads #Spiderman #Uninstall #meme 🔥 #JAFW 🏄♀️🌊🏄🌊🏄♂️🌊
A #WebBrowser is #TheEverythingApp 💯🎯
🧑💻1990s Web Culture – How the Internet used to be💾
Let's jack into the 'net, surf the Information Superhighway and go visit the global village in this video taking a look at mid 90's Internet culture.
Read More 👉https://ncot.uk/1990s-web-culture-how-the-internet-used-to-be/
#Internet #WebBrowser #website
Unsurprisingly, the team behind the #Vivaldi browser have confirmed that #Google's new Topics API in #Chrome, which will mine your browser's history for your interests and report that data to sites that request it, will not be enabled in their #browser:
https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/alert-no-google-topics-in-vivaldi/
If you want to use a #Chromium based browser but don't want Google's #tracking and #privacy invasions there are few better choices than Vivaldi.
#TopicsAPI #WebBrowser #Browsers #Tech #News #Ads #Web #Internet
Start migrating to Firefox, because Google wants to track everything you do, but call it "privacy":
#Google #Privacy #WebBrowser #Ads
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/googles-widely-opposed-ad-platform-the-privacy-sandbox-launches-in-chrome/
Been ages, but giving #Firefox a spin again. I only left it because a bunch of Google stuff only worked in Chrome, and I'm hoping that's in the past now
Chrome turns 15 and is getting a big redesign - The new Google Chr... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1966136 #googlechrome #webbrowser #google #chrome #tech
Ars Technica: Chrome turns 15 and is getting a big redesign https://arstechnica.com/?p=1966136 #Tech #arstechnica #IT #Technology #GoogleChrome #webbrowser #Google #chrome #Tech
#Webbrowser: Hochriskante Schwachstellen in #GoogleChrome geschlossen | Security https://www.heise.de/news/Webbrowser-Update-fuer-Google-Chrome-dichtet-hochriskante-SIcherheitsluecken-ab-9295977.html #ChromeBrowser #Browser #Patchday
You thought #WebEnvironmentIntegrity (#WEI) was bad enough?
#Mozilla is alerted about a bill that has been suddenly put on an accelerated procedure in #France. That would force every #webbrowser to implement #censorship (not just at the #DNS).
Webbrowser: Hochriskante Schwachstellen in Google Chrome geschlossen | heise online
https://heise.de/-9295977 #Webbrowser #Browser #Chrome #Sicherheitslücken
@richlv Have you tried Facebook Container?
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/facebook-container/
#Mozilla #Firefox #Facebook #container #FacebookContainer #browser #webbrowser
«Dass Windows 11 bald alle Links mit dem Standardbrowser öffnet, gilt nur für den Europäischen Wirtschaftsraum, also der EU und der EFTA ohne die Schweiz.»
— Interessant, dass die Schweiz 🇨🇭 nicht dabei ist, aber das Fürstentum Liechtenstein 🇱🇮 🤔 Da hilft bestimmt ein Registry Key :mastocheeky:
Nur in Europa: #Windows11 wird Standardbrowser künftig ausnahmslos akzeptieren | heise online https://www.heise.de/news/Windows-11-akzeptiert-Standardbrowser-kuenftig-ausnahmslos-aber-nur-in-Europa-9290520.html #MicrosoftEdge #DefaultBrowser #Browser #Webbrowser
This is actually something besides the #webbrowser I'm ok with #Mozilla doing, it's basically an #advertising campaign for them anyway - Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI? https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/campaigns/microsoft-ai/
#Webbrowser: #GoogleChrome-Update stopft hochriskante Sicherheitslücke | Security https://www.heise.de/news/Webbrowser-Google-Chrome-Update-stopft-hochriskante-Sicherheitsluecke-9288903.html #Patchday #ChromeBrowser #Browser
There’s no perfect browser. They have to make money and no one wants to charge/pay for products. So we pay with our privacy.
I’m trying @Vivaldi because they’re a top candidate for browsing privacy.
But I didn’t know how much I’d love this browser. Especially their “workspaces” feature. It’s a productivity masterpiece. They also have a built-in translation widget. Two really meaningful features.
#Webbrowser: Neue #Firefox-Releases schließen mehrere Sicherheitslücken | Security https://www.heise.de/news/Webbrowser-Firefox-117-ESR-115-2-und-ESR-102-15-dichten-Sicherheitslecks-ab-9288483.html #Mozilla #Patchday #Browser #MozillaFirefox
#Frontend / #webbrowser question.
I observed a very odd behavior of google chromes Page translation where the text of 2 buttons which are close to each other is mixed up. Like, part of the first button text is appearing at the second button, on therefore the full text of the second one is appearing in the first button
Any Idea what can cause this?
Webbrowser: Google-Chrome-Update stopft hochriskante Sicherheitslücke | heise online
https://heise.de/-9288903 #Webbrowser #Browser #Chrome #Sicherheitslücke #Update
https://www.howtogeek.com/microsoft-edge-is-removing-features/
Microsoft Edge, is getting full of "extra's" that border on Bloat, so they are trimming some, although some people feel they are getting rid of the wrong ones. the following are being removed:
- Math Solver
- Picture Dictionary
- Citations
- Grammar Tools
- Kids Mode
Bing chat sidebar, Microsoft loans, shopping helper, and integrated games are staying put.
Google Chrome: So aktivieren Sie das neue versteckte Design
https://is.gd/7Eurox #Webbrowser #Browser #Chrome #Design
Text To Speech: Chrome-Browser liest Webseiten vor - Golem.de
https://glm.io/177110?n #Webbrowser #Browser #Chrome #TextToSpeech
Internet Censorship Does Not Make You Safe Online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkW9lGVASA
#censorship #france #internet #safety #web-browser
https://node.lordmatt.co.uk/2023/08/26/posts/internet-censorship-does-not-make-you-safe-online/
Cookies löschen in Chrome – so klappt es auf dem PC und Mobilgeräten https://www.t-online.de/digital/internet/id_100209862/cookies-loeschen-in-chrome-so-klappt-es-auf-pc-und-handy.html #Webbrowser #Browser #Chrome #Cookies
#Webbrowser: Update für #GoogleChrome dichtet hochriskante Sicherheitslücken ab | Security https://www.heise.de/news/Webbrowser-Update-fuer-Google-Chrome-dichtet-hochriskante-Sicherheitsluecken-ab-9282328.html #Patchday #ChromeBrowser
Das läuft wohl nicht so gut mit dem alten Sicherheitskonzept. #Chrome #Webbrowser
Quote:
Google will den Webbrowser Chrome jetzt wöchentlich aktualisieren. Dadurch sollen Sicherheitsupdates schneller bei den Nutzerinnen und Nutzern landen.
Webbrowser: Update für Google Chrome dichtet hochriskante Sicherheitslücken ab | heise online
https://heise.de/-9282328 #Webbrowser #Browser #Chrome #Sicherheitslücken #Updates
#Webbrowser: #GoogleChrome erhält Erweiterungs-Sicherheitsprüfung | Security https://www.heise.de/news/Webbrowser-Google-Chrome-ueberprueft-Browser-Erweiterungen-9268593.html #ChromeBrowser #Browser #BrowserExtensions #ExtensionsSecurity #AddOn #BrowserAddOn #AddOns #BrowserAddOns
Are browser extensions putting your business at risk? #CyberSecurity #WebBrowser
https://betanews.com/2023/08/22/half-of-browser-extensions-pose-a-high-risk-to-business/
Lite Browser Mini – a small and simple browser, simple interface. android browser https://archiveapp.org/lite-browser-mini/ #webbrowser #android
@rail personally, I'd rather block #Chrome but then again I hate #DRM and don't want to weaponize it for #ads but rather inform people that #Google is, in fact, #evil!
I wished @BNetzA and @verbraucherzentrale would aggressively go after sites violating #NetNeutrality :loading: and doing #discrimination against users for using specific (still maintained!*) #WebBrowser|s.
[*Otherwise they'd force #WebDesigner|s to still support #InternetExplorer 6 / #IE6 aka. "#InternetExploder" to this day…]
Remember August 13, 1996 (27 years ago)? That's when Microsoft thought it would be fun to release Internet Explorer 3!
In a world where other browsers were like sleek sports cars, IE3 was the well-meaning family van. Sure, it got the job done, but let's face it – there were snazzier options out there.
Yet, IE3 brought its own quirks to the table, leaving us with fond memories of countless pop-ups.
#Tech #TechHistory #IE #InternetExplorer #Windows95 #Microsoft #1990s #90s #WebBrowser
Test prywatności przeglądarek internetowych - porównanie:
#prywatność #test #porównanie #ranking #przeglądarka #przeglądarki #webbrowser #Brave #Chrome #Google #Edge #Microsoft #Firefox #Librewolf #Mullvad #Opera #Safari #Tor #Ungoogled #Vivaldi
This evening, I've been having #fun exploring #decentraland !
I've seen @eibriel posting about It a lot, so I decided to take a look too! :blobaviator:
I like It there! I find it to be a mix between #SecondLife and #VRChat! :ablobthinking:
Unfortunately, I've not been able to interact a lot with people, just a quick hey with a person that warned me that my mic was not working, so I fixed it but they went away in no time :ablobnervous:
I've used the #webBrowser Brave to explore the land and had little to no problems on #Linux. :linux:
I suggest to everyone to have a look! It's inspiring! A bit empty.... but #inspiring!
I have also been thinking to make some #custom #NFT to wear/sell there, but unsure how and if I really could... Also, lands are veeeeery #expensive! But can be loaned for "cheap" :3
Have you ever explored it? Do you like it? :aphotoblob:
@MedievalMideast Definitely https://meet.jit.si / #JitsiMeet since it just works, is #FLOSS, runs on every #HTLM5 #WebBrowser AND you can even #SelfHost it if you want 100% control of your data.
Something that almost all the other solutions won't offer you!
Quoting the linked article from @Vivaldi
Why Vivaldi browser thinks Google’s new proposal, the Web-Environment-Integrity spec, is a major threat to the open web and should be pushed back.
https://vivaldi.com/blog/googles-new-dangerous-web-environment-integrity-spec/
[ #Google #WebBrowser #Chrome #Privacy ]
Google Chrome officially removing the download bar for a new tray UI by #9to5Google https://9to5google.com/2023/08/02/chrome-download-tray-bar/
FYI, the Duckduckgo browser is also not chromium.
Kann man nicht ein #JavaScript Programm schreiben, dass eine:n Benutzer:in von dem eigentlichen Webseiteninhalt ausschließt, wenn ein auf #Chromium basierter #Webbrowser verwendet wird und stattdessen woanders hin weiterleitet? Zum Beispiel eine Informationsseite zu #WebEnvironmentIntegrity.
After 11 years and 15 days from 2012-07-12, I am proud to present the first real release of MoeNavigator - a web browser written from scratch in C++. Its engine (called MoeNavigatorEngine) is also written from scratch:
https://codeberg.org/moenavigator/moenavigator
1/3
#FLOSS #OpenSource #OSS #FreeSoftware #GPLv3 #WebBrowser #Browser #MoeNavigator #CPP #CPlusPlus #Programming #Software
🍏 MacOS 9.0.4 in your Web browser! 👀
PowerPC emulation with some games and utilities
https://emulate-in-browser.macintoshrepository.org/?macmodel=5&disk1=MacOS904.dsk
I don't remember how I arrived at this https://www.macintoshrepository.org Web site today, but I had fun playing with this online emulator for a little while. It's a little slow, but I still enjoyed it. Give it a try ✌ 😁
I haven't used my old Macs in a long time.
#Apple #Macintosh #UMAX #S900 #PowerPC #MacOS #Web #Emulator #WebBrowser #Browser #Retro #RetroComputing #Gaming #GameDev
I'm kind of having a #WebBrowser conundrum. #Chrome is spyware. Un-Googled #Chromium insists on signing me out of YouTube constantly and feels a little unfinished. #Edge is just swaps Google spyware for Microsoft. #Firefox feels sluggish on desktop and doesn't work with certain sites. #Brave is alright but their crypto crap and dependence on ads gives me pause. #Vivaldi just has way too much going on and feels slow compared to other chromium derivatives. I guess it's time to give #Mullvad a try.
An alle Menschen, die freiwillig #Chrome als #Webbrowser nutzen: wenn das #WWW mal endgültig unbrauchbar geworden ist, seid ihr schuld:
https://blog.fefe.de/?ts=9a4452d8
Jahrelang davor gewarnt aber #Firefox ist ja sooooo unbrauchbar 🙄
The Luakit version in the Debian Bookworm repo seems a lot more usable than the one I used with Debian Bullseye? Very cool!
Would be even cooler if I could use vimb on Debian, but can't get it compiled.
Which is the best browser for #productivity? #Privacy? Customization?
This comparison will help solve this mystery 💪
#Speed, #usability, and #security are important factors to consider when comparing web browsers. However, choosing the best #webbrowser requires taking more factors into consideration.
We’ve tested Vivaldi, Google #Chrome, #Firefox, #Safari, #Opera, and #Edge to help you find the best browser for your needs 👇
Trying out #Brave as my default mobile browser for a bit to see how it goes. Usually use Firefox.
I took a look at the major web browsers, and how they handle user privacy, from blocking tracking scripts, cookies and pixels, blocking ads, to the data they collect, and how they resist fingerprinting.
So, here are the results:
UNVT Portable - Portable MapServers For Disaster Response
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https://github.com/unvt/portable
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" ‘UNVT Portable’ is a package for RaspberryPi that functions as a map hosting server and can be freely accessed from a web browser within a local network.
It is mainly intended to function in an offline environment during times of severe disaster, and is expected to play an active role... where disaster response headquarters are set up to assess the situation and respond to disasters by combining aerial drone images taken after a disaster occurs with OpenStreetMap and various open data tile data sets prepared in advance…”
#GIS #spatial #mapping #gischat #portable #mapserver #raspberrypi #raspberry #hosting #server #webbrowser #localnetwork #onsite #disasterresponse #hardware #solution #opensource #openformat #responsecenter #disasterresponsecenter #headquarters #readyresponse #mobile #mobileoffice #emergencyresponse #emergencymanagement #emergencypreparedness #risk #hazard #onlinemapping
Most people will tell you that there are only two actively developed web browsers, Firefox and Chromium, and that all others are built on the source code of one of these two (or at least their rendering engine). But I'm aware of at least 2 working browsers that (AFAIK) are not based on either;
* Dooble: https://textbrowser.github.io/dooble/
* Privacy Browser: https://www.stoutner.com/privacy-browser-pc/
Am I wrong about these? (Edit: yes) Anyone know of others?
Loving the Arc browser more and more - the most recent update allows ridiculously easy per-site customisation. I can change the appearance, hide entire elements, or select them and full on re-write the CSS for it.
No longer needing to use a browser extension like Dark Reader - it's all built in now 😅
Hang on, was Vivaldi browser really just featured at #GoogleIO?
Yes, Vivaldi's #AndroidAutomotive #WebBrowser was indeed featured!
Find out why here ⬇️
https://vivaldi.com/blog/freeze-frame-vivaldi-at-google-i-o/
#Business #Reviews
Arc will change the way you work on the web · “The Arc web browser is the most transformative app I’ve used in decades.” https://ilo.im/12p2ih
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#Arc #WebBrowser #Browser #Spaces #Sidebar #Tabs #Shortcuts #Productivity
Statcounter says Apple's Safari has overtaken MS Edge as the second-most-popular browser. (Chrome, of course, is on top by a wide margin. Firefox, sadly, still lags behind.)
https://www.neowin.net/news/statcounter-microsoft-edge-is-no-longer-worlds-second-desktop-browser/
Alright, the Arc Browser is finally starting to click with me.
Setting up different spaces with unique profiles (Allowing me to be signed into multiple Google accounts at once, for example), coupled with being able to favourite split views, has allowed me to context switch with EASE.
Add the two-finger trackpad swipe to hop between the spaces and I'm flying.
Starting to love this thing.
NCSA Mosaic Turns 20
(as @sanguish points out, Mosaic is now 30 (edited because I can’t math). I should have pointed out that this article was written TWENTY years ago)
#Mosaic #WebBrowser #History #ComputerHistory #InternetHistory #Anniversary
https://adrianroselli.com/2013/04/ncsa-moscaic-turns-20.html
I’ll try to use @brave as my main browser for a week, on both macOS and iOS.
I’m not comfortable with the idea to leave Firefox so I hope to really dislike the experience, but I’m afraid I won’t.
We’ll see !
#Firefox #Brave #webBrowser #browser
If you can remember, what has been your journey for your default #WebBrowser choice?
Mine is the following:
1. Internet Explorer
2. Opera
3. Firefox
4. Chrome
5. Safari
6. Firefox
7. Safari
8. Brave
9. Arc
I imagine I switched a few more times than this, but generally I think this is pretty close to being accurate.
Is Edge actually a bad web browser or are people just resistant to change?
(Note my use of the word "bad" and not "evil"—I know it uses Chromium under the hood & is maintained by Microsoft. To rephrase, does Edge provide a good web browsing experience?)
#webBrowser #userExperience #opinion
As a part of BCD’s 100% accuracy goal, I am working on writing programmatic tests to verify the support of every feature documented in BCD. And I mean EVERY…SINGLE…ONE.
I’m doing all this work so others won’t have to. #devrel #mdn #webbrowser
How neat: browsh, a modern text-based browser for the terminal.
“It renders anything that a modern browser can; HTML5, CSS3, JS, video and even WebGL.”
There's a new web browser on the block (it's basically 1995 all over again 😁). If you want to try it, here's a link that's good for 5 people. Currently macOS only (other OSes coming in future), so please only use up an invite if you're on a Mac.
I have only just installed it, so can't tell you if it's the greatest thing ever or a complete waste of time, you'll have to figure that out yourselves...
Seems worth checking out. Thanks for sharing, @chriscoyier!
https://chriscoyier.net/2022/12/08/whats-good-about-the-arc-browser/
I want to talk to find and talk to folks about #webbrowser and #webextension stuff. Where my people?
I guess I should also talk more about this stuff myself. Look forward to me thinking out loud about this space, I guess